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[PROMETHEUS]

Actually if you notice well the breastplate in the figure is right the one I used for the skinning , I found in internet making a research and I have been lucky to find it.....

[khelvan]

Is there any way to have the leg greave be only on the leading leg?

Great looking skins!

[PSYCHO V]

Actually if you notice well the breastplate in the figure is right the one I used for the skinning , I found in internet making a research and I have been lucky to find it.....

Your a Legend! Very very nice Prom! Verci and I were discussing the colour thing. I think historical accuracy should take precedence. I guess this is a 'historical mod'. Where there is an opportunity to add factional colours without sacrificing accuracy, yer take it but it aint a biggy.

Re: the Arverni. The name tends to give it away. The unit is called Arverni Argos. Argos meaning 'Noble' in Gallic. The Arverni were noted (well, until the last stages of the 'civil war' / 1st CBC) for their wealth and well equipped troops. In terms of equipment and weapons, there quite accurate imho. Though I would like those spears to be a few feet shorter but Verci tells me this is hard coded in the .exe

In the mod, they will be a very expensive unit to raise and keep. Ultimately I'd like to make them event triggered, like post Marian units. Does anyone know if we can add this unit to the same Roman trigger event?



If anyone needs help doing UI placecards for their units, give me a hoy.

[khelvan]

In the mod, they will be a very expensive unit to raise and keep. Ultimately I'd like to make them event triggered, like post Marian units. Does anyone know if we can add this unit to the same Roman trigger event?

Add one line to the building it can be recruited from, and done. You can do this for any event (anyone know of any more we can utilize?).

[Ranika]

Is it possible to add more events, or are they hardcoded?

[Stormy]

Great stuff PSYCHO V & PROMETHEUS It's all coming along nicely I see.

[khelvan]

I believe that events (and their triggers) are hardcoded.

[Urnamma]

Wow, these units are beautiful. The Arveni and the Samnites are works of art, truly.

[Vercingetorix]

Psycho and I pumping away like a machine. Currently we're a bit stuck with the Averni Arjos spear, I was playing around with it and was able to have them hold speras and charge with sword but it crashes sometimes...

Anyway fixed southern warband shield and boar standard work in progress:



Keep up the good work men

[eadingas]

When will people understand that "Spanish" is a WRONG term for the Iberian populations of this age? I've been saying this for months now!!!

Spain does NOT exist until the marriage of the Catholic Kings Fernado II of Aragon and Isabel I of Castile-Léon in the late 15th century!!!

And they were only called Hispannicus by Rome. Not "Spanish" and only post-conquest!!!

Not that it answered my question I suppose we can't call Greece 'Greece', either, only 'Hellas'...

[PROMETHEUS]

I would like those spears to be a few feet shorter but Verci tells me this is hard coded in the .exe

Have you tried this???






2.HOW TO - add short pikes/long pikes to spearmen... By Adonys
or any spearmen unit in the export_descr_unit.txt file you can replace its stat_pri_attr line values with spear, short_pike or spear, long_pike

example:

BEFORE:
type greek hoplite
dictionary greek_hoplite ; Hoplites
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Medium_1
soldier greek_hoplite, 40, 0, 1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 7, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.5
stat_pri_attr spear
stat_sec 5, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,0.5
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 5, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental 4, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 440, 170, 50, 70, 440
ownership greek_cities, slave


AFTER - short pike:
type greek hoplite
dictionary greek_hoplite ; Hoplites
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Medium_1
soldier greek_hoplite, 40, 0, 1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 7, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.5
stat_pri_attr spear, short_pike
stat_sec 5, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,0.5
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 5, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental 4, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 440, 170, 50, 70, 440
ownership greek_cities, slave


AFTER - long pike:
type greek hoplite
dictionary greek_hoplite ; Hoplites
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Medium_1
soldier greek_hoplite, 40, 0, 1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 7, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.5
stat_pri_attr spear, long_pike
stat_sec 5, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,0.5
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 5, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental 4, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 440, 170, 50, 70, 440
ownership greek_cities, slave

[Vercingetorix]

Thanks PROMETHEUS, the problem is that we want them to use the custom spear that's in the model not the generic spears/pikes. For all troops that use the phalanx formation it forces the use of these generic spears. Now if there was some way for them to use custom spears but charge with swords without using the phalanx formation is would be great but I'm not aware of any formation as such.

[PROMETHEUS]

Ok this is the last update , I removed the leather thing to leave the under dress be visible and I added stripes that keep the breastplate on the shoulders, I still have to increase the colour of some red decorations of the dress and complete the skirt part , I was also thinking to substituite the shield with a round one but not sure about it since they used also this kind of shields.....

[eadingas]

I believe that events (and their triggers) are hardcoded.

You can change the date at which they happen... and, I think, a description (otherwise they couldn't be localized). So we could replace some of the events with others, if we learn how the building triggers are called for each event... if there are other triggers except marian_reforms, that is. I haven't found any yet. (shouldn't some of the inventions, like Archimedes Pump, be such a trigger ?)

[Ranika]

Numerous triggers appear to be aesthetic, and not actually affect anything, such as the pump. Is this true? Do they actually do anything? If so, changing them to certain other events sounds like it should be simple enough, events that would enable other, non-Roman units.

[PROMETHEUS]

new version updated with some refinements of neck and dress .... in action , but still I have the problem of one unit with black stuff....

[khelvan]

You can change the date at which they happen... and, I think, a description (otherwise they couldn't be localized). So we could replace some of the events with others, if we learn how the building triggers are called for each event... if there are other triggers except marian_reforms, that is. I haven't found any yet. (shouldn't some of the inventions, like Archimedes Pump, be such a trigger ?)

But you cannot change the date at which they happen. At least, not if all events happen like the Marian reform event. The description, yes, but not the event triggers. (i.e. date, building a certain building, so on)

[Stormy]

Nice update PROMETHEUS

Good god, I'm gonna love this mod when it is all set and done. Every single one of you is doing a outstanding job . Glory to you all

[eadingas]

But you cannot change the date at which they happen. At least, not if all events happen like the Marian reform event. The description, yes, but not the event triggers. (i.e. date, building a certain building, so on)

Umm...
from 'descr_events.txt':

"event eruption_at_etna
date 9 winter
position 104, 49

event plague_in_macedonia
date 14 winter
position 138, 67

event stoic_philosophy
date 14 summer

event hand_pump_invented
date 14 winter

; event librarian_at_alexandria
; date 18 summer

; event great_library_completed
; date 24 winter

event carthage_clear_glass
date 34 summer

event archimedes_screw
date 44 winter

event greek_logic
date 54 summer

event star_catalogue
date 64 winter

event plague_in_alexandria
date 64 summer
position 178, 19

; event rites_of_bacchus_banned
; date 78 winter

event earthquake_in_pontus
date 84 summer

event concrete_invented
date 94 winter

event eruption_at_vesuvius
date 99 summer
position 103, 65

event philosophy_banned
date 103 winter

event astrolabe_invented
date 114 summer

event lex_aebutia
date 114 winter

event roman_stoicism
date 120 summer..." etc.

[eadingas]

The events even have a syntax like they could be used as triggers. We need to test if adding, for example, 'and astrolabe_invented' to a building descr does something to it.

[DemonArchangel]

AAARGGH! NAZIS! I'M OFFENDED! (not really, but some ignorant fools could misconstrue the swastika to mean something else)

[eadingas]

Weird. I can't find the descriptions to the events anywhere. And they show up as english in my localised version. Surely they can't be hard-coded!? It would be absurd to not be able to write your own descriptions?

[PROMETHEUS]

Here is something I found on the Samnites more Historical sure I guess, should I substituite this colours on the shield or leave it for the rebel samnite instead? I think to have two kind of samnites units is good like actually are but too similar between them....
I was thinking of substituiting the swastica symbol with this kind of shie4ld what you guys think?

[sharrukin]

AAARGGH! NAZIS! I'M OFFENDED! (not really, but some ignorant fools could misconstrue the swastika to mean something else)

I agree! If we include this unit we should make a point of explaining in the ingame description what it really is.

[eadingas]

Nevermind, I found them. (I wish I could edit my posts finally!) Okay, we can edit and add any events we like - there are even some that are commented out of current release, wonder why.
Still don't know how to use them as triggers, if it's possible. But it may be a matter of syntax. For example the 'marian_reforms' don't exist as marian_reforms anywhere outside descr_buildings, they have different name in the description files.

[PROMETHEUS]

those are another version I tought instead for the rebels and slave armies.....still in work..... how it looks?

[PSYCHO V]

Great Prom. I was going to suggest this uniform instead of the reverse swastika design. It would have just been an unnecessary bone of contention with some. So stick with these guys, they look great.

[khelvan]

Feel free to try and change the event triggers. As I said, "IF" they function like the Marian Reforms, you cannot. That is a big "if." (In more ways than one :)

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Actually if you notice well the breastplate in the figure is right the one I used for the skinning , I found in internet making a research and I have been lucky to find it.....

OK. Great. I like it.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Is there any way to have the leg greave be only on the leading leg?

No. RTW uses a system to save on texture space. It uses mirrors of the texture (that is skinned just on one side) to texture the other. With some shields it's even 1/4 th of the texture that is mirrored 2 times further.