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    btw I would like to see also other units made by other people where are them??? Even becouse I don't want to step in someon'else's work....

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    Aymar, those aren't Spartan hoplites. Those are Laconian (Spartan Allied) hoplites. They're where Iphikrates and others got the idea for the unarmored 'fast' hoplites that were supposed to deal with peltasts. The Spartans themselves would have been armored. They should have linen cuirass, or possibly the bronze body armor. After all, Sparta was the most conservative of the Greek states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urnamma
    Aymar, those aren't Spartan hoplites. Those are Laconian (Spartan Allied) hoplites. They're where Iphikrates and others got the idea for the unarmored 'fast' hoplites that were supposed to deal with peltasts. The Spartans themselves would have been armored. They should have linen cuirass, or possibly the bronze body armor. After all, Sparta was the most conservative of the Greek states.
    But warfare styles evolve. Spartans used a lot less armour in latter times. Up to the point of wearing no armour at all. I've read it in several references.

    BTW, why do you say they are Spartan allies and not Spartans themselves? Is that what the text means with "Lakedaemonian" hoplites?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
    btw I would like to see also other units made by other people where are them??? Even becouse I don't want to step in someon'else's work....
    I've been unable to continue my work on Iberian and Carthaginian units, but I hope to finish reskinning and remodelling 4 units, by wednesday.

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    No I meant that I really want to know what is beeing making and what we are made so far that is why I posted the last time a thread about a full complete list of worked units, in work units and to work units......

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    Nice work Prom
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    Nice Prometheus ,great job
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    Lakadaimoni are those from Lacadaimon. Lakadaimon is the domain of Sparta. You have helots, allies, and spartans. Allies are in an inferior position, think republican rome and the italian allies. Spartan hoplites would be the best armored and armed. The allies would have less in the way of arms, sometimes fighting without any armor. Helots were only allowed to be skirmishers and the like, and were notoriously unreliable. Spartan hoplites (as an elite unit) would probably have linen armor or even a bronze cuirass, because they were expected to be in the thick of the melee. The periphery work (cavalry, etc) would be left to the allies, whose armor would be inferior.
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    The latest text about the Spartans as an independent power has their hoplites armored with Linen and following the Iphikritean model layed down by Athens and adopted by Thebes, and the elite hoplites armored in bronze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
    No I meant that I really want to know what is beeing making and what we are made so far that is why I posted the last time a thread about a full complete list of worked units, in work units and to work units......
    Sorry. Didn't understood. I'll make a list as soon as possible and sent it to you.

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