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[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

MMM this is a bad mentality , If you dream the perfect world and do nothing to build it you will never get out of your hom , my politic is

We're not dreaming it. We're building it. Although not many can keep your pace at creating units.

FIRST BUILD , THEN REFINE

AS YOU HAVE SEEN I have made severall units and refined them severall times with some units starting from the Samnite ones ....

True. I'm not arguing with that.

I never said I was going to make fantasy units , I just try to make them as similar to what is supposed to be the unit at that period of time , men have different opinions , so historians , so what is certain for you may be completely wrong for someonelse , What I try is to please both to reach a compromise of perfection , the Spartan I did is the most accurate reconstruction od a 270 BC hoplit based on deductions , studies , plates comparisons and mergings , is not invented at all!!!

I never said you were making fantasy units!!! In fact, I praised you several times for your accuracy. I was just asking for a plate to compare it to, because I had a very different idea taken from my readings.

You can state by yourself that the pic doesn't shows what I reconstructed , Also you should not undervaluate the maniacism of Miniature painters that most of the time have better sources than historians wich this is the case

Yes, I know that most of them are extremelly well informed. I just need to see several examples to be convinced of their total accuracy.

Spartans used this pylos helmet countrary of what is believed in ancient classical history corinthian type , which may be you cna see in the Troy movie but not at this time unless for some other units...

Well, didn't you understood what I've said? I never questioned the use of that helm. Of course the corinthian wasn't used in that age. My problem is more with the cuirass than the rest.

also the picture you posted shows a thracian helmet wich is out of place to me for a greek hoplit ....

For you. But it could be correct because it was a standard by then. The same happened with the corinthian one some 150 years before. It became a standard.

But, as I've said before, your helm isn't the issue. I was just asking about the cuirass or linen armour.

I am working for recostructing units the more close to what they should like ...and this is why I joined this project , so once made the unit unless special errors if followed right principles of reconstruction , can be criticized but unless you bring a certain prove that this isn't correct then this is the better we can come to ....

I'm in no way criticizing your awesome efforts. I aplaude them. I just want our decisions to be perfectly justified and correct, not to run into problems later on. Just that.

also I had other plates and info on books about all the units I reconstructed as you have seen by the many plates I posted , But I got bored to scannerize every time I make a new unit so I preferred to pick up an image from internet that looks more close......

That is the point of the question. We can't be working for convinience. We must work for perfectionism. And, believe me, your work can achieve that. It already did with some other units.

Ok remake a better one post it to me and I will change the shield , untill then I will keep this....

That was for Dead Moroz, not for me, right?

[PROMETHEUS]

Actually U quoted parts for Deaz Moroz more than to you anyway ...here is the Secutor Wich I used to substituite the Mirmillo wich is similar to the Samnite and so I merged in the Samnite , He should use a sort of sword but the animations are with a spear so I will leave this unchanged to be changed later on since I use those units to play online too....

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Actually U quoted parts for Deaz Moroz more than to you anyway ...here is the Secutor Wich I used to substituite the Mirmillo wich is similar to the Samnite and so I merged in the Samnite , He should use a sort of sword but the animations are with a spear so I will leave this unchanged to be changed later on since I use those units to play online too....

No problem. We'll change that later. Great work!!!

[PSYCHO V]

OFFICERS


General :
Same model as Arverni but with bronze breastplate with ornate design, short conical helmet with vein / spike (Helvetii style) and wings, longsword

Lesser General :
Same model as Arverni but with mail vest and shoulder pieces, Conical Helmet with large cheek guards and Black Plume ..or this helmet


Unit Commander :
Same model as Arverni but with mail vest and shoulder pieces, Boar helmet, long sword, round shield

Standard Bearer : (In progress)
Helm, cloak, naked torso, Boar standard, long sword

Carnyx :
Duds, long sleeve shirt, carnyx, bowl helm



LIGHT INFANTRY


Tribal Militia : (In progress)

Gallic versions of Peasants yet still better skilled in fighting than other culture equivalent
Long hair, Gallic mow, long shirt, tartan trousers, oval shield, thrusting spear

Senone Slingers :

Above Average Valour, Easily Fatigued, Dubious Morale under heavy casualties
(Long hair, Gallic moustache, torque, naked chest, trousers, shoes, Sling, Pellet pouch slung over shoulder, Short Celtic Sword, Very small buckler usually slung over back).
(Can be raised anywhere in Transalpine Gaul)

Aquitanian Archers: (In progress)

Average Valour, Easily Fatigued, Low Morale
(Long plated hair, Gallic moustache, torque, long sleave shirt to thigh over trousers and tied around waste with belt, shoes, bow, quiver of arrows hung off left hip, short Celtic sword, No Shield).
(Can be raised in Southern Transalpine Gaul)

Bodvoritus (‘Running Wrath’):

Extremely Impetuous, Extremely Undisciplined, Good Morale, Very Good Stamina, Good Attack
(Long flowing hair, naked tattooed torso, Gallic moustache, torque, armlets, chequered trousers in ‘faction colours’, shoes, arm guards, dirk and medium length (Halstatt) sword).
(Can be raised from Transalpine Gaul)



MEDIUM INFANTRY


Southern Warband: (Done)

Impetuous, Above Average Valour, Easily Fatigued.
(Shorter hair to nape of neck and spiked up with lime, Gallic moustache, torque, bangle around each wrist, naked chest, cloak fastened at right shoulder by broach, tartan trousers, shoes, throwing spears, long Celtic sword, rounded rectangular shield)
(Can be raised anywhere in Cisalpine Gaul and Celtiberia)


Northern Warband: (Done)

Impetuous, Above Average Valour, Easily Fatigued.
(Long hair platted, Gallic moustache, torque, naked chest, armlets, bangle around each wrist, trousers, shoes, throwing spears, long Celtic sword, oval shield)
(Can be raised anywhere in Transalpine Gaul)

* Thinking about giving bowl helmet. Thoughts?

Veneti Bagaudam (‘Guerrilla Fighters’):

Disciplined, Average Valour, Dubious Morale, more easily achieve ambushes, receive bonus to attack when directly from ships or at night.
(Bronze helmet with thin horns, short dark hair, Gallic moustache, torque, short sleave shirt in ‘faction colours’ with chequered borders to thigh over trousers and tied around waste with belt, short boots, spear, Celtic sword, strange squarish shield with wavy sides).
(Can be raised from Veneti (Armorica) Territory)


Dubis Dusios (‘Black Demons’):

Impetuous, Very High Valour, Good Stamina, Very High Morale, Good Attack
(Bronze bowl helmets adorned with purple crest, short dark hair, shaggy black (goatskin like) shoulder-less tunic to above knee bound by thick Iberian belt, arm guards, greaves made of the same black material wound around shins and carves, excellent quality iron short two edged swords, dirk, Celtic oval shield in ‘faction colours’).
(Can be raised from Celtiberian ‘Gaul’)
*May ditch this depending on the Celtiberian work?

Bodubatae (‘Raven Warriors’):

Excellent Discipline, Good Valour, Good Stamina, High Morale,
(Bronze Raven helmet, long hair, Gallic moustache, golden torque, golden armlets, bronze armbands, long sleeve shirt with bronze cuirass, red tartan trousers to ankles, cloak in 'faction colours’ fastened with large golden broach on right shoulder, short boots, long thrusting spear, long Celtic sword, Oval Shield).
(Can be raised from Aedui Territory / Gallic Capital)



HEAVY INFANTRY


Arverni Arjos (‘Nobles’): (Done)

Good Discipline, Low Valour, Easily Fatigued, Good Morale
(Iron ‘Gallic’ helmet, long hair, Gallic moustache, torque, wrist guards, shirt of mail over long sleeve tunic gathered by belt at waist, tartan cloak gathered on right shoulder with broach, trousers, short boots, long thrusting spears, long Celtic sword, shield).

(Can be raised from Arverni Territory, post Marian reforms if possible)

Carnute Cingetos (‘Warriors):

High Valour, High Morale, Good attack, Cause Fear against other Gallic units, Large Additional Valour and Morale Bonus against non-Celtic factions.
(Iron helmet with forward facing horns, long hair, Gallic moustache, torque, arm guards, chain mail shirt over long sleeve tunic gathered at waist by belt, stripped trousers in ‘faction colours’, Royal Blue cloak fastened on breast, short ankle boots, Long Celtic Sword, Round Shield).
(Can be raised from Carnute Territory)



CAVALRY


Leuce Epos (‘Light Horse’):
Disciplined, Good Valour, Good Morale
(Iron bowl Helmet with tri swirl cheek guards, long hair, Gallic moustache, torque, armlets, bangle around each wrist, long sleave tunic over trousers and tied at waist by belt, shoes, round shield, throwing spears, long Celtic Sword).
(Can raise from any Celtic Area)

Brihentin (‘Elite Cavalry’):

Disciplined, Good Valour, Easily fatigued, Good Morale, Excellent Attack
(Iron ‘Gallic’ helmet with faction-coloured plume, long hair, Gallic moustache, torque, arm guards, chain mail shirt over long sleeve tunic gathered at waist by belt, trousers in ‘faction colours’, cloak fastened on right shoulder by broach, short ankle boots, medium spear / lance, long Celtic Sword, Round shield).
(Can be raised anywhere in Transalpine Gaul)



MERCENARIES


Gaesatae (‘Spearmen’):

Impetuous, High valour, Easily fatigued, Good Morale, Very Good Attack, Long spear throwing range.
(Like to see slightly larger model of warband but with beefed up muscles, no trousers, small flap at front, Iron Helmet with black horse hair trail, long hair, Gallic moustache, Long Hexagonal Shield, throwing spears, Long Celtic Sword, large golden torque, armlets, bracelets and anklets.
(Can be hired from Gallic Territory)

Ordocorii (‘Hammer Troops’):

Disciplined, Good Valour, Good Stamina, Average Morale
(Short Horned (Thames styled) helmet, Long dark flowing hair, Woaded face and arms, Gallic moustache, Golden torque, Heavy Wrist guards, Sleeveless shirt and vest of chain mail over trousers, belt at waist, Tartan cloak, shoes, heavy war hammer, round shield)
(Can be hired from any Gallic coastal province)
* I’d actually like to see an event linked to war with Rome that Britons offer their services.

Mori Gaesum (‘Sea of Spears’):

Excellent Discipline, Good Valour, Very Good Morale
(Tall spiked iron helmets, long dark hair, Gallic moustache, torque, arm guards, red tunic with chequered borders gathered with belt over trousers, cloak same colour as trousers, shoes, Pikes, long Celtic sword, large rectangular shield with rounded edges)
(Can be hired from Helvetii territory)

* Like to see event where Helvetii migrate

Teutones:

Disciplined, Excellent Valour, Good Stamina, Excellent Morale
(Hair dyed red and in pony tail, full beard, naked chest, short cloak, trousers, shoes, throwing spears, small square shield)
(Can be hire from border areas with Germans / German territory)

[Vercingetorix]

Excellent! This weekend we have holiday in the USA (thanksgiving) so I hope to work on some more Gallic units

[PROMETHEUS]

Are all those gallic units realistic ? I have never heard of Daemons, ravens or sea of spear units where did u took all this info? U used the Bello Gallico? or somewhere else?
since I don't remember those even in this book....

[PSYCHO V]

Are all those gallic units realistic ?

Yes, to the best of our knowledge.

I have never heard of Daemons, ravens or sea of spear units where did u took all this info? U used the Bello Gallico? or somewhere else?
since I don't remember those even in this book....

All my research was posted and discussed to death at the .com about 2 years ago. Unfortunately it has been lost since, but I still have many of the books used.
The sources are from a whole myriad material, several dozen books by contemporary authors, archeological, anthropological and historical journal articles, and ancient texts including private letters. Basically anything that allows one to garner how the Gauls looked, fought etc within a geograhical context.

At work at the moment but from memory;

A) The term ‘black demons’ was garnered from a private Roman letter (describing the enemy encountered during one of the wars against the Celtiberians) and translated into Gallic. The actual description is from two books, can’t remember which ones.

B) The Raven is mentioned in just about any book one reads on the Celts. The Celtic goddess of the dead would take the form of a Raven and alight on the bodies of the fallen and cart their souls off to the after life. Hence the helmets were worn with Ravens to strike fear in their foe. The Raven Helmets are well attested in the archoelogical / historical record and scholars believe they tended to be worn by either elite troops and / or nobles.





They are particularly noted around Bibracte the Aedui Capital. The Aedui were the leaders of the Northern Condeferacy from the mid 4th century BC on and pretty much represent the Gaul faction in RTW.

We know the Aedui had a special Royal guard. From memory there was a reference I found in Irish text which mentioned 'Raven Warriors' forming a special guard to protect an Irish King. So all the pieces were put together and the Aedui Royal Guard were afforded raven helms and called Bodubatae. The name is just the Gallic translation of “Raven Warriors” / plural. Highly likely that such a unit existed by this name but we can't prove it 100%

C) Same thing for the “Sea of Spears”. The Helvetii, as you would know from Caesar’s works used a form of phalanx formation. It is also attested in other fragments. They were very disciplined and well led.
The Celts, much like other native peoples tended to call things by names which had a direct meaning eg Boiorix ="king of the boii" , Eburones = "people who are protected by the yew-tree" etc etc
The Sea of Spears is the most likely Gallic name for such a formation and thus used as a unit descript.

[Ranika]

Pyscho V is correct, the units he lists are, as best can be researched, quite verifiable. The problem with offering a huge litany of sources, is the unique nature of the various regions of Gauls, and the soldiers they offered locally. That's why the more 'common' Gallic soldiers are easy to verify, they showed up in large areas, with a great deal of regularity. However, some occured in small numbers, but with regularity, in certain regions (a good argument for 'region specific' units, actually).

[PROMETHEUS]

Thraex Gladiator , the equvalent of CA veliti....

Actually I deleted for error overwriting this model , so I will remake but I was undecise between this Thraex wich is close to the one CA made and instead the retiarius .... difficult task to make the net ......


or may be we could add the Scissor Gladiator to replace the arcani , actually they look very similar about for the cape .... even if the Arcani where really an exhisting unit in ancienRome , they where more a secret policethan a military unit so could be used to add a fourth gladiator unit ......so a rebel army of gladiators will ave


heavy samnite-mirmillons , scissor , secutor

light thraex retiarius

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Actually I deleted for error overwriting this model , so I will remake but I was undecise between this Thraex wich is close to the one CA made and instead the retiarius .... difficult task to make the net ......

IMO, you shouldn't make the Retiarius. It will be very dificult to make the net, specially because we can't remake the animation. I would prefer the Thraex. But that is up to you.

or may be we could add the Scissor Gladiator to replace the arcani , actually they look very similar about for the cape .... even if the Arcani where really an exhisting unit in ancienRome , they where more a secret policethan a military unit so could be used to add a fourth gladiator unit ......so a rebel army of gladiators will ave

No. No Arcanii. No Scissor Gladiator. Only the ones that are there. Besides the Arcanii has been deleted from the files.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Ranika is very correct when commenting on unit space. The generic units, like siege engines and peasents, will be condensed in a single unit with several faction textures. We can have 300 max units, being 268 occupied in vanilla RTW. Just from deleting ahistorical and duplicates I'll reduce occupied slots to about 230 (I'm doing that for Alpha 0.3 as I write this post). Since a lot of the units are being remade from the ground up, like PSYCHO V's warbands, a lot of the "new" units won't even ocuppy unit space. So, on an crude estimate, we'll have about 70 free slots for new units, which means that we'll be able to add several new ones per faction (depending also on the number of factions available).