Unit Screenshots

[Ranika]

Can the bright red saddle be removed as well? Skinned to look more like leather?

[PROMETHEUS]

The Greek and Persians at war 500 - 323 BC osprey met at arms series....

These arcers where mercenaries ans, part from the scythian archers were the only troops to be hired by Athenians as regular infantry.
They were employed in the same capacity as slingers and other light troops, either as psiloi or positionedamong the hoplite heavy infantry.
Their distinctive charateristic was the red chiton tunic.
They wore no body armour and their only protection was the small round bronze shield pelta.
As well as bow and quiver of arrows it is possible that they also carried javelins.

[eadingas]

Does the game allow them to use both bows and javelins, though?

[PROMETHEUS]

I think can be made , just adding the javelin skeleton , the problem is make them swithch from one to the other weapon .....

about the saddles just need time......


about my time , is now a bit reduced so expect less units , also there is a problem , I only made high cas not medium low and lowest , too boring doing them so I won't unless there is a way to make them starting by the original high cas......

[Ahilleas]

Are you sure they looked like this? And javelins... Can you show us pictures of ancient depictions or modern reconstructions, or text describing them?

Hello to everybody and congratulationsfor your fantastic job. Im comming from Greece, Im a graphic designer and great fan of ancient history.
I admire your effort for true historical representation of this game. I unfortunally dont know anything about 3d modelling but i can use photoshop REALLY good. So if any question or small task comes out im here.
Now about Cretian archers.
They were the only missile unit that wasnt included in the ''psiloi'' category in the way most others were. I mean they were archers by choice and not due to economical reasons. Thus they were far more better equipped than other regional archers. They carried a small round bronze shield (wich as Xenophon writes its flashing betrayed them during an ambush), they often had swords and many times light linen armor. Sometimes they reffered to have helmets but most commonly they were wearing a head band from wich as they say the nowdays traditional headband of Crete comes. There is a relief that depicts two Cretan archers and i ll post an image when ill find it. Also there is a good Plate in osprey's ancient greeks. In conclution Cretan archers were an elite unit and not just poor people with hunting gear.
I wish i had more time so i could commit more on this project.
Im here for any advice on units or names
Im sure that the outcome of this mod will make people in CA jealous. Congratulations again for your pursue of authenticity in a time where great epics traditions and history of ancient peoples becomes hollywood chewing gums. Lets prove them that we can have fun AND learn

[eadingas]

I'm not sure about javelin/bow combination. This should be tested, I think the game engine might not allow it. Also, this would mean that archers would have no melee weapon, and it really looks silly when a unit tries to fight with a bow (I've seen badly modded slingers hitting people in the head with slings, it's not pretty). I think just the bows will be enough... also, the shield you have is nothing like a Pelta shield - it's either round or Pelta - and it should be worn on a forearm instaed of in hand. You can't shoot and hold a shield at the same time.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Hello to everybody and congratulationsfor your fantastic job. Im comming from Greece, Im a graphic designer and great fan of ancient history.
I admire your effort for true historical representation of this game. I unfortunally dont know anything about 3d modelling but i can use photoshop REALLY good. So if any question or small task comes out im here.

Thank you for your compliment. We all like to hear that the work we're doing is apreciated by the community.

As for your skills, we always need a guy with good photoediting skills...

I wish i had more time so i could commit more on this project.

You can still join and contribute whenever you can.

Im here for any advice on units or names.

Care to join EB? Maybe in your particular area of expertise?

Im sure that the outcome of this mod will make people in CA jealous. Congratulations again for your pursue of authenticity in a time where great epics traditions and history of ancient peoples becomes hollywood chewing gums. Lets prove them that we can have fun AND learn

I believe you have it the nail on the head. You're right. With the contribution of everyone dedicated to a better Historical depiction of the period, including you, we will make something we will all be proud of. To play and learn (most of us are doing this last one already ).

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I'm not sure about javelin/bow combination. This should be tested, I think the game engine might not allow it. Also, this would mean that archers would have no melee weapon, and it really looks silly when a unit tries to fight with a bow (I've seen badly modded slingers hitting people in the head with slings, it's not pretty). I think just the bows will be enough... also, the shield you have is nothing like a Pelta shield - it's either round or Pelta - and it should be worn on a forearm instaed of in hand. You can't shoot and hold a shield at the same time.

I agree that there can only be one missile and one melee hability per unit. If we could have two per unit this wouldn't be a problem. But we can't. Therefore the Cretan Archers should have a bow and a sword of some kind. As for the shield, we only need to link it differently in MAX with the CAS plug-inn.

[PROMETHEUS]

I based my reconstruction exactly on what is showed to be the Cretan archer on the Osprey plate that I wrote so if you have take a look at it , bored top scannerize right now....

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I based my reconstruction exactly on what is showed to be the Cretan archer on the Osprey plate that I wrote so if you have take a look at it , bored top scannerize right now....

OK. I believe you. But we can't have two missile habilities per unit. Only one melee and one missile.

[Parmenio]

Curious, did the Creatan Archers use their javelins as missile or melee weapons?

[Steppe Merc]

Um... I assume everyone knows that there won't be any faction colors here, right?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Um... I assume everyone knows that there won't be any faction colors here, right?

Not on units. But we'll have to have them on flags and on the campaign map.

[PROMETHEUS]

what about the tree roman factions then?

[Colovion]

I think those may be the exception - for certain kinds of high end units/sheilds etc.

[Steppe Merc]

Not on units. But we'll have to have them on flags and on the campaign map.

Of course. I mean no more green haired Thracians or purple Parthians, or a million other reasons why they shouldn't be there. As for the Romans, I don't know about them, but I assume that they never had seperate colors for the families. But their would be color on any units that would have them, so for the elite Romans or the red cloaks on the Spartans, or whatever.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

what about the tree roman factions then?

Well, most of them won't need colours. The Romans will need them because they are all equal in terms of units. That's the biggest exception, because most others will have unique units. What we mean by not having faction colours is that the unit design does not have to obey to the colours of the faction, like in the case of the Parthians. They didn't dressed in pink, as such, their units shouldn't be pink. The rest can have different colours when their units can't be distinguished. Like militia hoplites or peasents. It will depend on faction and unit.

[PROMETHEUS]

I agree....

[PSYCHO V]

Been thinking ... dangerous I know

I think the Northern Warband may warrant a simple bowl helmet. Thoughts?

[Ranika]

Looks good to me, the north did employ helmets more often anyway, it'd be a good nod to that.

[PROMETHEUS]

, mmmm shouldn't have the cheeck guards?

anyway I was working on a Celtiberian skin and model , not finished it since I didn't know what unit should substituite and so to test it , I will upload here skin and model so you can take a test for me ? Or even perfectionate it?

mmm there is not a way to upload stuff here?

ok take a lookhere...





here

[PSYCHO V]

Prom: If that's your Alpha, it's huge step in the right direction. Nice work

Re the NW helmets. Based on the right hand side guy. The helmet was quite common in Transalpine Gaul

[PROMETHEUS]

If that's your Alpha, it's huge step in the right direction. Nice work

Thanx but what means?



Oh yes now I understood it ... Alpha version ,

well I wasn't sure about


Shield form , the sleeves long or short , colours of the greaves and face also the kind of pteruges.........any other errors?

[Steppe Merc]

Did they have that funky goatee? Just wondering, since I have no idea. But it looks quite nice though. But their seems to be an awful lot of red sheilds. Why did people like red so much? I hate red... But excellent job, and I realy like the helmet. I wonder if you could do a Boetian helm for the Macedonians...

[WhiteWolf]

lol the gotee looks cool but does not seem to be very gallic. When it comes to facial hair think of these people kind of like you think of dwarves, some of the tribes did actually prize their fuzzy faces that much. Like the model though, perhaps pinch the sleeves in a little and the skirt as well from the angle you gave the ss looks kind of like it sticks out. But then your men may be fighting screeching women so there might be a reson for the skirt sticking out :).

[PROMETHEUS]

Mmm??? what are you talking about ? didn't understood....

Anyway here is the final version.....

[Ranika]

Gauls did not much favor beards, though they did favor mustaches. Celtiberians, I thought were similar? I actually study the Gauls/Britons/Gaels more than the Celtiberians, so I'm not sure, but I think they would perhaps favor mustaches or to be clean shaven? Gauls, Britons, and Gaels, all, for example, removed their body hair, since it kept dirt close to the body. Wouldn't Celtiberians be similar? I'm not sure, because they were clearly influenced by the indigenous Iberian populations, so I'm just asking.

[Urnamma]

PROMETHEUS

There's still some problems... try making the shield more ovular. It wasn't a romanesque oblong shield, but more of an ovular one.

The rest of the model looks damn good. Damn good.

[PSYCHO V]

Brilliant!

Prom, sent you a PM

..and just re the Celtiberian look. They were influenced by the Iberians and tended to do away with the Gallic mow by the mid 3rd C BC, either having the ruddy stubble look or being clean shaven. There were a few tribes of what we would regard as Celts that kept a semblance of the Boii / Insubres / 'Southern Warband' look but these were in the minority. If we are doing accurate Celtiberians, they should reside in Central / North-Western Iberia.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Preciselly. Celtiberians were a different culture from Gauls and populations beyond the Pirenees. They were of mixed ascendency but heavily influenced by Iberian culture. At this moment in time, they were mostly clean-shaven.

BTW, PROMETEUS, the shield must be straight and oval. Just like the Northern Warband shield. Not like the Romans.

Another note: I'm doing the Iberians, Lusitanians and Celtiberians. Concentrate on the others, ok?