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    Default Re: Unit changes/New unit implementation/3d and 2d unit graphics

    what about the tree roman factions then?

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    I think those may be the exception - for certain kinds of high end units/sheilds etc.
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    Not on units. But we'll have to have them on flags and on the campaign map.
    Of course. I mean no more green haired Thracians or purple Parthians, or a million other reasons why they shouldn't be there. As for the Romans, I don't know about them, but I assume that they never had seperate colors for the families. But their would be color on any units that would have them, so for the elite Romans or the red cloaks on the Spartans, or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
    what about the tree roman factions then?
    Well, most of them won't need colours. The Romans will need them because they are all equal in terms of units. That's the biggest exception, because most others will have unique units. What we mean by not having faction colours is that the unit design does not have to obey to the colours of the faction, like in the case of the Parthians. They didn't dressed in pink, as such, their units shouldn't be pink. The rest can have different colours when their units can't be distinguished. Like militia hoplites or peasents. It will depend on faction and unit.

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    I agree....

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    Been thinking ... dangerous I know

    I think the Northern Warband may warrant a simple bowl helmet. Thoughts?
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    Looks good to me, the north did employ helmets more often anyway, it'd be a good nod to that.
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    , mmmm shouldn't have the cheeck guards?

    anyway I was working on a Celtiberian skin and model , not finished it since I didn't know what unit should substituite and so to test it , I will upload here skin and model so you can take a test for me ? Or even perfectionate it?

    mmm there is not a way to upload stuff here?

    ok take a lookhere...





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    Prom: If that's your Alpha, it's huge step in the right direction. Nice work

    Re the NW helmets. Based on the right hand side guy. The helmet was quite common in Transalpine Gaul
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    Can anybody show pictures of Celtiberian warriors? I wonder that they have chain mail.
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    There is a statue of an hoplite wearing linen armor and lion shaped cap targeting with bow that may be Cretan archer.
    No the pictures you refer to are about the Athenians archers , a contingent kept by athen during the persian wars and they wore linen cuiras and lion skin .....


    About the libyanphoenicians I used a plate and they are right as I made them , armies of the Carthaginian wars by Osprey.....

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    [QUOTE=PROMETHEUS]No the pictures you refer to are about the Athenians archers , a contingent kept by athen during the persian wars and they wore linen cuiras and lion skin .....


    Well as i told you the situation is foggy but there is no reference that the armoured archers were athenians. They were in athenians side. The lion metal cap propably wasnt a rule and because of its value many scholars say that propably this is rather a hero depicted or a mercenary who could afford it. By the way would it be much trouble to have hoplite units from different greek cities(the basic ones at least) have different ''Episimon'' (sign) on their shields? If its big trouble or consumes unit space forget it. Congratulations for your fine work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
    Can anybody show pictures of Celtiberian warriors? I wonder that they have chain mail.
    Don't doubt it. After all the Celts were the inventores of mail. It's proven that some of the descendents of Celtic invaders in Iberia had them. Here is one good pic:


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    Right the picture I used

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    Regarding the other pics that were used for inspiration:







    Quote Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
    Here are the Celts. I'll keep each book (Celts, Sarmatians and Parthians) in seperate posts.



    Early La Tene warriors, late 5th century BCE
    Right, these chaps are slightly earlier than our time period, but I liked it as it showed the clothing and armor quite well, as well as showing that they all have shirts on. The old guy is a chieftan, and notice in addition to his sword he has mutliple spears. The Guy on the right is a well off warrior, while the one on the right is a simple free tribal warrior. All wear checked or striped clothes.



    Gallic Warriors of the Middle La Tene 35d- 2nd BCE
    The naked guy is one of the Gaesatae, actaully a tribe that was famous for fighting naked. These would be similar to the Naked Fanatics, but note that he doesn't have the punk rock hairdo. The other foot soldier is frome the Marne district, and again has a shirt. The horsmen has the famous eagle helmet, and it's wings flap as he rides. He is quite well equpiied , and has iron mail. This would probably be a noble unit, but not that of the generals. Note the two javilens.



    Gallic Cavlarymen of the Late La Tene period, 1st century BCE
    Some more Cavalry men. They again, all have shirts. They are more poor soldiers, their helms actaully being scavenged from Romans. In the desc there's an excellent part of Celtic horse strategy:
    "These riders would normally throw their javelins immediately before contact; the heavier thrusting spear would be used at close quaters, and finnaly the sword might be drawn"
    In the back, there's a dude with a celtic war trumpet that has a boar on it, possibly inspiring CA's choice to have on the unit flag of the Gauls a boar.



    British Chariot and Crew, 55 BCE
    A beutiful picture of a chariot, sorry that the middle's a bit cut off, as it's a two page spread. The poorer driver (the one with woad on him) would manuever the chariot at incredible speeds, while their nobleman passenger would throw javellins. They would dismount to fight against infantry, while the driver would move the chariot off ready to pick up the nobleman.



    Celtic Light infantry types 1st century BCE, 1st century CE
    Light infantry types, these do have no shirts, but that's because their all light infantry, and likely poor. The slingers were quite common, while the bowmen were rarer. The light swordsmen were supposedly quite good, but were deffeated by Germanic auxalries. The javileneers are young men not yet strong enough to trade swords with the grown men, so they used javilens instead as their main weapon.

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