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[PSYCHO V]

Been thinking ... dangerous I know

I think the Northern Warband may warrant a simple bowl helmet. Thoughts?

[Ranika]

Looks good to me, the north did employ helmets more often anyway, it'd be a good nod to that.

[PROMETHEUS]

, mmmm shouldn't have the cheeck guards?

anyway I was working on a Celtiberian skin and model , not finished it since I didn't know what unit should substituite and so to test it , I will upload here skin and model so you can take a test for me ? Or even perfectionate it?

mmm there is not a way to upload stuff here?

ok take a lookhere...





here

[PSYCHO V]

Prom: If that's your Alpha, it's huge step in the right direction. Nice work

Re the NW helmets. Based on the right hand side guy. The helmet was quite common in Transalpine Gaul

[PROMETHEUS]

If that's your Alpha, it's huge step in the right direction. Nice work

Thanx but what means?



Oh yes now I understood it ... Alpha version ,

well I wasn't sure about


Shield form , the sleeves long or short , colours of the greaves and face also the kind of pteruges.........any other errors?

[Steppe Merc]

Did they have that funky goatee? Just wondering, since I have no idea. But it looks quite nice though. But their seems to be an awful lot of red sheilds. Why did people like red so much? I hate red... But excellent job, and I realy like the helmet. I wonder if you could do a Boetian helm for the Macedonians...

[WhiteWolf]

lol the gotee looks cool but does not seem to be very gallic. When it comes to facial hair think of these people kind of like you think of dwarves, some of the tribes did actually prize their fuzzy faces that much. Like the model though, perhaps pinch the sleeves in a little and the skirt as well from the angle you gave the ss looks kind of like it sticks out. But then your men may be fighting screeching women so there might be a reson for the skirt sticking out :).

[Dead Moroz]

Can anybody show pictures of Celtiberian warriors? I wonder that they have chain mail.

[PROMETHEUS]

There is a statue of an hoplite wearing linen armor and lion shaped cap targeting with bow that may be Cretan archer.

No the pictures you refer to are about the Athenians archers , a contingent kept by athen during the persian wars and they wore linen cuiras and lion skin .....


About the libyanphoenicians I used a plate and they are right as I made them , armies of the Carthaginian wars by Osprey.....

[Ahilleas]

[QUOTE=PROMETHEUS]No the pictures you refer to are about the Athenians archers , a contingent kept by athen during the persian wars and they wore linen cuiras and lion skin .....


Well as i told you the situation is foggy but there is no reference that the armoured archers were athenians. They were in athenians side. The lion metal cap propably wasnt a rule and because of its value many scholars say that propably this is rather a hero depicted or a mercenary who could afford it. By the way would it be much trouble to have hoplite units from different greek cities(the basic ones at least) have different ''Episimon'' (sign) on their shields? If its big trouble or consumes unit space forget it. Congratulations for your fine work.
Last request can you post an image of the spartan you develop?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Can anybody show pictures of Celtiberian warriors? I wonder that they have chain mail.

Don't doubt it. After all the Celts were the inventores of mail. It's proven that some of the descendents of Celtic invaders in Iberia had them. Here is one good pic:

[PROMETHEUS]

Right the picture I used

[PSYCHO V]

Yup, was going to scan and post that myself. Good job Prom. (get online Prom )

Apologies to those guys expecting the celts units this morn. A few minor changes before we finally finish them.

[PROMETHEUS]

Quote from the osprey book


The African heavy infantry was equipped in the greek hoplite style until 117 bc when many where rearmed with captured roman mail shirts shields and pila . the rear ranks probably still retained the earlier long pike thus corresponding to the roman triariius and our figure shows such a soldier with roman mail but with the pike shield and helmet of the Macedonian type believed to have been adopted by the carthaginians....

this shows that they didn'nt dislike greek style and this is the reason why I used that pattern .... about the mail anyway this I guess would be a later unit may be and in beginning should use linen cuirass , about the colour I don't know , I saw other sources showing about red colour for this unit not the carthaginian army in the whole , for making all plain similar we could use white tunics but i doubt that there was such an homogenuity and anyway I don't care too muc for the colour , just think is more right the red , after all the phoenicians had the source of this colour .....

[Urnamma]

A fair amount of knowledge on Phoenicians and Carthaginians in particular was published around 1990. The Osprey book is a little out-dated...

Like I said though, if you want consensus, ask Aymar or [cF]HanBaal.

We already have an Elite African Infantry unit that shows Roman tactical influence on the list. The Liby-Phoenicians are the phalanx, from 270 B.C. onwards.

PROM, I'd love to collude with you on some units, but we need to agree on what to put down first before you skin it. That's avoid problems. IM me on MSN, if you like.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Regarding the other pics that were used for inspiration:

Here are the Celts. I'll keep each book (Celts, Sarmatians and Parthians) in seperate posts.



Early La Tene warriors, late 5th century BCE
Right, these chaps are slightly earlier than our time period, but I liked it as it showed the clothing and armor quite well, as well as showing that they all have shirts on. The old guy is a chieftan, and notice in addition to his sword he has mutliple spears. The Guy on the right is a well off warrior, while the one on the right is a simple free tribal warrior. All wear checked or striped clothes.



Gallic Warriors of the Middle La Tene 35d- 2nd BCE
The naked guy is one of the Gaesatae, actaully a tribe that was famous for fighting naked. These would be similar to the Naked Fanatics, but note that he doesn't have the punk rock hairdo. The other foot soldier is frome the Marne district, and again has a shirt. The horsmen has the famous eagle helmet, and it's wings flap as he rides. He is quite well equpiied , and has iron mail. This would probably be a noble unit, but not that of the generals. Note the two javilens.



Gallic Cavlarymen of the Late La Tene period, 1st century BCE
Some more Cavalry men. They again, all have shirts. They are more poor soldiers, their helms actaully being scavenged from Romans. In the desc there's an excellent part of Celtic horse strategy:
"These riders would normally throw their javelins immediately before contact; the heavier thrusting spear would be used at close quaters, and finnaly the sword might be drawn"
In the back, there's a dude with a celtic war trumpet that has a boar on it, possibly inspiring CA's choice to have on the unit flag of the Gauls a boar.



British Chariot and Crew, 55 BCE
A beutiful picture of a chariot, sorry that the middle's a bit cut off, as it's a two page spread. The poorer driver (the one with woad on him) would manuever the chariot at incredible speeds, while their nobleman passenger would throw javellins. They would dismount to fight against infantry, while the driver would move the chariot off ready to pick up the nobleman.



Celtic Light infantry types 1st century BCE, 1st century CE
Light infantry types, these do have no shirts, but that's because their all light infantry, and likely poor. The slingers were quite common, while the bowmen were rarer. The light swordsmen were supposedly quite good, but were deffeated by Germanic auxalries. The javileneers are young men not yet strong enough to trade swords with the grown men, so they used javilens instead as their main weapon.