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[Steppe Merc]

I like those units. That sacred band cavalry, what faction is it for? It looks like it has a Macedonian sunburst on its shield. Rember we don't need faction colors anymore.
Also, I'm almost a hundred percent sure that the muclsed cuirass was extremely uncomfortable on horseback. I think a different sort of armour would be used for the chest, but I'm not sure what sort.

[thrashaholic]

I don't know if anyone's noticed, and I don't mean to complain, but the Gallic standard bearer's left hand (the one holding the standard) is the wrong way round, it looks quite strange. To be anatomically correct his palm should be facing inwards (rather than outwards as it is at the moment). A small detail I know, but it makes a difference.

Otherwise keep up the good work

[PROMETHEUS]

I'm almost a hundred percent sure that the muclsed cuirass was extremely uncomfortable on horseback. I think a different sort of armour would be used for the chest, but I'm not sure what sort.

Actually I agree but I just made the model on Urnamma instructions , I think that a linen cuirass would have been more suitted.....

[Steppe Merc]

Thanks. I thought that the muscled cuirass wasn't used for horseback, but I wasn't quite sure. I wonder why everyone has it though...

[[cF]HanBaal]

I like those units. That sacred band cavalry, what faction is it for? It looks like it has a Macedonian sunburst on its shield.

That's the Carthaginian Sacred Band Cavalry, and a very pretty one

About the shield symbol, Urnamma wrote: "opaque white five pointed star in the center (Astarte’s holy sign)". I think I dunno this five pointed star (israeli one?) but the one now has 8 points.


A couple more details Prometheus: the sword is missing (hanging around the waist maybe?) as well as the lamelar armour around the horse's front:



And finally, is it possible for the horses to be black as Urnamma suggested (white would look cool too if black doesn't work out)?

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About the armour, Sacred Band Inf wore iron cuirasses indeed so the resemblance to their cav counterparts shouldn't be that difference in what armour concerns. However, if you're sure that would be extremely uncomfortable to use, Steppe Merc, maybe we could use a lamellar armour or even linen. The muscled cuirass looks d*mn cool though... :P

[PROMETHEUS]

Sacred band infantry with linen cuirass.....

[Stormy]

Once again guys, Great work

[Steppe Merc]

I think that it would make more sense for them to have linen on horseback, at least. But that's just my opinoin. But I have read that muscled cuirass was uncomortable on horse.

[Stormy]

I would like to see a pic of all the new Carthaginian units in one picture all together if it isn't a problem Carthaginians is one of my favorite factions.

[PROMETHEUS]

I think both should have linen unles urnamma post a source where is stated that they used muscle cuirass......

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Sacred band infantry with linen cuirass.....

Excellent work!!! But is the shield symbol correct?

[Steppe Merc]

Rember that quote is from 341 BCE... Besides, ancient historians aren't exactly the best sources... as they tend to know nothing about real battle. I still think that they should have the linen cuirass.

[PROMETHEUS]

Carthaginian Shields
The evidence for the shields of Carthaginian citizen troops is summarised in "Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars", by Duncan Head.

It depends on the date of your army. The Sacred Band at Krimisos in 341 BC are described (in Plutarch's "Life of Timoleon") as wearing iron cuirasses and bronze helmets, with huge round white leather shields - probably plain white, with no blazons. Then there is a big gap lacking in reliable evidence, until the Third Roman-Punic War, when Strabo describes Carthage manufacturing thureoi - oval, Celtic- or Roman-style, shields.

Between these points, Greek-style hoplite-shields do appear in Carthaginian art, so it is probable that the citizen troops carried these until they adopted the oval shield - whenever that was. Silius Italicus' epic Latin poem the Punica describes troops "from Carthage" in Hannibal's army as barefoot, wearing red, and armed with swords and round leather shields - he uses "parma", the term used for the shields of Roman velites and cavalry, and thus probably implying a fairly light shield. But it is far from clear whether this is a realistic description or, like many of Silius' details, a fanciful poetic embroidery; and if it is a realistic description, it is also not clear who is being described.

Finally, the Chemtou monument is a Numidian royal construction of the 2nd century BC probably commemorating victory over the Carthaginians in the Third Punic War, when Numidia was a Roman ally. This depicts large, unblazoned, oval shields, and round shields with varied blazons in Greek style, including an eye, Herakles' club, Zeus' thunderbolt, and Athene's aigis. It is possible that one or both of these shield-styles copies Carthaginian equipment taken as trophies in this final war; but then again, they may be Hellenising artistic convention.

For Carthaginian citizen troops of the first and second Roman-Punic wars, I would be inclined to use hoplite shields, painted white, with individual blazons mixing Greek emblems and motifs taken from Carthaginian art such as horses, palm-trees, the "Hand of Baal" and the "Sign of Tanit". But that is largely guesswork.

According to this I have used


Moon symbol for the normal units,

Baal Symbol for the Sacred Band phalanx

Astarte simbol for the Sacred band cavalry

BTW, Prometheus, why do you always leave a blank space in the balls' zone, with no leather stripes? AFAIK, the leather stripes covered all that space too. In the horses look ok as it would be sort of uncomfortable but not on infantry.

because the game stretches this when they walk and looks ugly ......

Excellent work, but there is an error. You've incurred in the same error as CA. Metal Cuirasses do NOT have shoulder straps, let alone leather ones. The front and back parts are articulated through hinges and they are fixed my small straps on the sides (under the arms). Please correct that.

Is not an error Urnamma asked me to place it so I did , Anyway I amstill in doubt that those metal cuirasses should be used , Actually I am in doubt that the Sacred Band should be used since was disbanded time befoure the punic wars.....

But is the shield symbol correct?

Offering table with the circular symbol of Baal carved on the side. .....

Dunno if was used but according to ur description this is the only good one I guess

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Is not an error Urnamma asked me to place it so I did , Anyway I amstill in doubt that those metal cuirasses should be used , Actually I am in doubt that the Sacred Band should be used since was disbanded time befoure the punic wars.....

Then Urnamma is mistaken. Shoulder straps with linen armour, yes. With metal cuirasses, no.

As for the SBI, regarding history, although we know that they were disbanded before our time period, we do need an elite phalanx for Carthage so it should be used anyway. Besides, if we ever set the date earlier it won't be a question anymore.

Offering table with the circular symbol of Baal carved on the side. .....

Dunno if was used but according to ur description this is the only good one I guess

Fine by me...

[QwertyMIDX]

Sacred band infantry with linen cuirass.....

Why do the Sacred band infantry and calvary both have the Greek style meander pattern on thier shield edges? I was unaware that it was ever used in Carathage expect perhaps by hire mercs, which the Sacred Band obviously aren't.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Why do the Sacred band infantry and calvary both have the Greek style meander pattern on thier shield edges? I was unaware that it was ever used in Carathage expect perhaps by hire mercs, which the Sacred Band obviously aren't.

A lapse by PROMETHEUS. Some details still need to be worked out.