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[Ranika]

Gaesatae are going to be mercenaries available in Gaul, so the 'naked Gauls' are going to have a presence.

[PROMETHEUS]

As I've said previously, but you failed to listen, it depends on the era!!! It makes all the difference in the world.

No I didn't failed to read,look to the following threads before this....
and is not really a matter of time period but of cultural habits , some of (not all) to prove their valour fought naked even if they could have adopted mail or other armours.....

Do not make irreflected remarks without other evidence. This ones aren't evidence...

And sorry but Archeological finds are evidence! all the other things are iphothesys....

[khelvan]

No I didn't failed to read,look to the following threads before this....
and is not really a matter of time period but of cultural habits , some of (not all) to prove their valour fought naked even if they could have adopted mail or other armours.....

And sorry but Archeological finds are evidence! all the other things are iphothesys....

One must also use logic with regards to archaeology. You cannot simply dismiss what eadingas and others are saying because it does not fit with your idea.

Otherwise, every find is open to not only interpretation, but wild speculation.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

No I didn't failed to read, look to the following threads before this....
and is not really a matter of time period but of cultural habits , some of (not all) to prove their valour fought naked even if they could have adopted mail or other armours.....

Some? Not most? OK. Then we agree. For me some are: Gaesatee and Southern Warband. Period.

And sorry but Archeological finds are evidence! all the other things are iphothesys....

Really? So I can say that all Greeks and some Romans fought naked. I have Archeological finds to prove it too. Just look at all the Greeek and Roman statues spread all over the place...

[chemchok]

The Roman copy of the Dying Gallatian Trumpeter from Pergamon is a Hellenistic heroic nude, it does not mean that Gallatian's fought naked, end of story. It is a useful reference for the facial features of a Gallatian, but that's about it.

[PROMETHEUS]

Gallatian's fought naked, end of story. It is a useful reference for the facial features of a Gallatian, but that's about it.

completely wrong .... if it was an artistical vision then they would have made him with the heroic helm , may be a sword and a greek style shield , not spiked hair , mustaches , nakes and torque with as is known is been described right like this by many authors ....

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Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
And sorry but Archeological finds are evidence! all the other things are iphothesys....

Really? So I can say that all Greeks and some Romans fought naked. I have Archeological finds to prove it too. Just look at all the Greeek and Roman statues spread all over the place...

Lol should I even comment this?

[chemchok]

No, it's a Hellenistic heroic nude, not a Classical heroic nude. He's naked to show the superior physical quality of the enemy that Pergamum had recently defeated. The torc, the details of the face, and the hair are used to make him recongnizable as a Gallatian.

Plus, the Gaul is lying upon his sword, his shield, and his trumpet (though these are partially restored, so they should not be relied upon as historical) - these items were included in the scuplture.

[PROMETHEUS]

This is a Roman copy of a Hellenistic bronze original. Marble. 3rd Century B.C. (c. 240 - 220 B.C.) It is not an heroic nude but a a victory monument, the Dying Gaul is dramatically depicted in mute resignation as he momentarily rests upon his oval shield (Celtic), his trumpet nearby. He manages to keep his body upright by the temporary support of his hand. (The sword is speculated to be a copyist's addition.) The original is sometimes ascribed to the sculptor Epigonos.
The cropped hair, the mustache, the shaven face (probably denoting the Dying Gaul as a chieftain) and the gold tourque or ring around the neck were distinctive characteristics of the "barbaric" Gauls.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Really? So I can say that all Greeks and some Romans fought naked. I have Archeological finds to prove it too. Just look at all the Greeek and Roman statues spread all over the place...

Lol should I even comment this?

Yes, because you're using exactly the same type of evidence to prove your point.

[PROMETHEUS]

Ok then


The roman art usually , at difference with the greeks made more realistic traits on their statues and less idealistic , even if used the same style , the nudity wasn't a shame to those culture as well as for many others at the time so nudity was also a part of the art system , tough many historical characters are depicted all but nude , so is the same for important foes that were depicted exactly how they were described to the authors , to show the public who was beaten .... in the case of the statue that is a copy of an original greek one , and even if Greeks appreciated to make nude rapresentations of heroes and gods , this is not the case since is not a hero and not a God , is a defeated enemy , plus this statue copy was in the Garden of a Roman historian so probably not just for eye candy ....