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**PROMETHEUS** · 12-15-2004, 22:15

This is a Roman copy of a Hellenistic bronze original. Marble. 3rd Century B.C. (c. 240 - 220 B.C.) It is not an heroic nude but a a victory monument, the Dying Gaul is dramatically depicted in mute resignation as he momentarily rests upon his oval shield (Celtic), his trumpet nearby. He manages to keep his body upright by the temporary support of his hand. (The sword is speculated to be a copyist's addition.) The original is sometimes ascribed to the sculptor Epigonos.
The cropped hair, the mustache, the shaven face (probably denoting the Dying Gaul as a chieftain) and the gold tourque or ring around the neck were distinctive characteristics of the "barbaric" Gauls.

**eadingas** · 12-15-2004, 22:33

Look, guys, Prometheus especially, it doesn't really matter. Whether it's a real depiction or an allegory, the fact is that both sculptures show NAKED GALLIC WARRIOR. Not a SHIRTLESS gallic warrior with pants. So even if it's a real warrior, it's a Gaeseta, who's already listed in the unit list! And it has nothing to do with whether the northern gauls wore shirts or not!

**chemchok** · 12-15-2004, 22:53

From the Grove Dicitonairy of Art:

"The most original and openly sensual Hellenistic nude is perhaps the crouching Aphrodite at her Bath (c. 250 bc; Roman copy, Paris, Louvre). Male nudes were often shown in violent poses, and Pergamese sculptors particularly favoured dramatic subjects, with a strong emotional impact, such as the Dying Gaul (c. 230–220 bc; Rome, Mus. Capitolino), or the superhuman, exaggeratedly contorted Laokoon (Rome, Vatican, Mus. Pio-Clementino)."

and

..."Epigonos, whom Pliny credits with a Trumpeter and a Weeping Child ‘pitifully caressing its murdered mother’ (XXXIV.xix.88), and who also signed eight bases for bronze statues on the Pergamene acropolis, two celebrating victories over the Gauls. No originals by Epigonos survive, but the famous Dying Gaul (Rome, Mus. Capitolino; see Greece, ancient, §IV, 2(iv)(b) and fig. 67) may reproduce his Trumpeter and be copied from one of the signed monuments of c. 223 bc. The warrior wears a Celtic torc and is bleeding from a chest wound, his broken trumpet and sword by his side. The realism of the statue emphasizes its pathos and, by stressing the dignity of the conquered, the statue exalts the achievement of the conquerors."

I have never come across any literature that suggests the "nakedness" of the statues must be taken literally.

EDIT : eadingas is right - this is a useless argument on both sides. Plus, whatever skins we use for the units will look awesome anyway, thanks to Prom, Psycho, and everyone else.

**PROMETHEUS** · 12-15-2004, 23:01

I have never come across any literature that suggests the "nakedness" of the statues must be taken literally.

And who said that?

The Celt described is clearly what Eadingas said so is useless u try to say that is just a hellenistic artist vision conformistic to the usual way of making statues....

About shirtless warriors many didn't wear shirts in combat some others did some others had even armours , but the army compositions were etereogeneal and many didn't wore shirts at all...