Unit Screenshots

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Welcome back, PROMETHEUS!!!

Regarding the unit:

-Why change the hauberk pattern?
-Face too blurry.
-On both models (in fact, on all Roman models) the scabard is too thin for the gladius they hold. Thicken the scabard a little.

Nothing else...

[PROMETHEUS]

Ok but the mail pattern I made has a deeper fitted trama that was used at the time the one of the game instead has rings as large as fingers , also the colour scheme is more realistic to my opinion and the directions of the lines follow more the body in the second version .... but of course I need opinions, the shield is better like is now , more close to the originals , also the scabbard is taken by the sword so has the same size of it ...for the face , yes is more blurry but isn't more realistic this?



new version slightly modified by Psicho V....

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Ok but the mail pattern I made has a deeper fitted trama that was used at the time the one of the game instead has rings as large as fingers , also the colour scheme is more realistic to my opinion and the directions of the lines follow more the body in the second version ....

OK. After reading your explanation I agree with the mail pattern change.

but of course I need opinions, the shield is better like is now , more close to the originals

IMHO, the shield is perfect now.

also the scabbard is taken by the sword so has the same size of it

I opened your models in MAX and it didn't seem so. It seemed rather thin. Maybe that was because of the texture being a bit small.

Besides, the scabard should be larger than the sword to be able to hold it. Or else it wouldn't fit.

...for the face , yes is more blurry but isn't more realistic this?

Nope. I don't agree.

new version slightly modified by Psicho V....

I see no difference except for the face. And the less blurry the face, the better.

[PROMETHEUS]

I see no difference except for the face. And the less blurry the face, the better

Ok this later version slightly modified by Psicho is a less "rusty" version , personally I think a more rusty version adds realism and should be used for all the other mail textures but I would like to understand if this is just a question of tastes or it would be better to favour a rusty one or a more polished one? Neitherless to say that I still have to add some lighter parts on the abdomen abd backs...

[eadingas]

I think what Aymar is trying to say is, use your version for the body, and Psycho's version for the face, and then it will be just right...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I think what Aymar is trying to say is, use your version for the body, and Psycho's version for the face, and then it will be just right...

That is not PSYCHO's face. That is RTW's vannila face. PSYCHO probally reduced the amount of "dirt" in the texture.

I personnaly would go for more dirt but with the standard RTW face. At least until a better one can be made.

[Dead Moroz]

I like chain mail in version 1. It looks really like chain mail. It's really metallic. In version 2 it looks like strange, very wide felt wear. And legionaries now looks like Chinese warriors. You gotta sell your texture to that Chinese mod, Prom.

The face in version 2 is too blurry indeed.

[Parmenio]

I seen reenactors with mail as dark as (2), then again I've seen lighter mail like (1) as well, which additionally tends to be depicted most often in Osprey style illustrations.

[GeWee]

About the shield. It almost looks as if it's been folded in the middle. Is it possible to make the center line a little more 'rounded' maybe?

[PROMETHEUS]

I repost here this one couse the page changed , about your point on shield you are right I will probably fix it as I have more time.....

Ok here there are 4 version , in order



version not rusty and with highlights

version not rusty less shiny

version rusty , more dark

version of CA

I think the third version looks more realistic...

remember that the mail trama of CA is on my opinion too large since every ring seems to be as large as one finger....

[Spino]

I think the first version, non-rust w/highlights, looks the best with CA's default textures a close second. The second non-rust textures look good but are too dark. The third rusty, darkened version is way too dark. When zoomed out the darker versions will invariably lose their mail pattern and look more like gray or black leather than mail. I think the details on the third one will simply disappear when viewed from anything beyond 25 yards or so.

AFAIK, chain mail wasn't really know for accumulating much rust or dirt because throughout the course of the day constant movement and friction would prevent rust and other particles from taking hold on the links. Furthermore and perhaps more importantly, no Centurion worth his salt would let his men allow their armor to become so dilapidated, rusted and filthy. These are professional soldiers, not dodgy mercenaries or disillusioned conscripts.

BTW, superb work Prometheus.

Kudos to the EB team on their mod. I'm not going anywhere near RTR but I'm definitely drooling in anticipation of EB's release.

Edit - Oops, my mistake. I just realized these are pre-Marian legionaries (Principes) and therefore not professional soldiers. However my assertion still stands, especially in light of the fact that pre-Marian legionaries bought and maintained their own equipment. I think it's safe to say that the act of letting an expensive suit of chain mail go to pot was only for the rich or apathetic.

[Urnamma]

Prom, I like the first one, but I have one small gripe. Could you blend it a little more, try to make those quite obvious lines go away?

I LOVE the new shields. They're perfect.

[PROMETHEUS]

Ok New triaria with shield and new mail...

[Dux Corvanus]

If someone is interested in making an important unit from August's twelve year Cantabrian wars in the north of Hispania, this is how Cantabrian warriors should look like. OK, it's not a Rembrandt, but not bad for a 3 minute picture. BTW, all clothes should be leather and bear fur, long hair was held in a tie in TOP of head, and large round shield was wooden. The motif I've chosen is a popular one in ancient Cantabrian stone estelles. BTW, Cantabrian light horse riding javelinmen -the ones who used Cantabrian circle- should look similar, but w/o shield.

[khelvan]

I am 99% positive that Aymar and the other Iberian fanatics have this covered in spades. However, I am sure the drawing will be good material for them to draw ideas about coloring and such, though I notice in our forums there are a ton of ideas about the Iberian units such as the Cantabrii already (Aymar went nuts!).

Just out of curiosity, from what do you draw your inspiration?

[Dux Corvanus]

Just out of curiosity, from what do you draw your inspiration?

Hairstyle was described by Strabo himself. Garments and weaponry are described by Titus Livius, as quoted by Orosian.

They used javelins, short swords and double axes. One Cantabrian warrior, Larus, was well-known by his skill with double axe. A leader, Corocotta, knowing the romans offered a reward for his capture, went to ask it himself.

We also have warrior depictings based on ancient stone round estelles that are found all over the territory. They marked the proximity of a Cantabrian castrum .



Sun symbol motifs of the shields could be inspired by these monuments:

[Byzantine Prince]

Hey everyone, can you guys change the greek hoplite units? I hate how they all have the horsehair on their helmets. The real hoplites really rarely had horsehair on the helmets. Can you guys change the plain hoplites with this kind of helmet?

And also can you consider this cuirass?