Unit Screenshots

[Steppe Merc]

Horse hair wouldn't survive, me thinks.

[Big_John]

well, how was the hair attached? b/c if there were some sort of boss to which the haired was tied or something, that should be visible on the helmets. if it was affixed with an adhesive or something, then maybe you wouldn't see it.. although, it's not unheard of for organic material (e.g. fabrics) to survive that long.

[chemchok]

Muscled curiasses will be in the mod, but they will be the exception rather than the norm.

Horsehair crests were not attached with adhesives. The actual methods used to attach them varied over time, but in most cases, some evidence of the system would survive - whether it's pin holes in the top of the helmet or a large raised platform.

Those responsible for creating the Greek unit list payed close attention to which units should and shouldn't have a crest.

[Urnamma]

Muscled cuirasses had all but disappeared on infantry by 270 B.C. They were still used by cavalry.

Attic style helmets (like the one you posted, but not the corinthian) were the norm as well.

[Byzantine Prince]

The thing is there already ARE Corinthian style helmets in the game. Armoured Hoplites have them. I don't reall care about that.

The thing I'm trying to change is the fact that they have horsehair. People always assume all greek soldier's had horse hair on the helmets when in fact almost none of them did, especially in the time period we are talking about.

[khelvan]

Byzantine Prince:

Those responsible for creating the Greek unit list payed close attention to which units should and shouldn't have a crest.

Don't worry, we understand. In addition, what you say about the Corinthian helmets doesn't really matter, since we're completely redoing every single unit in the game, and tossing out 75% of them.

[Byzantine Prince]

Ok, kewl.... I would apreciate some screenshots of the greek units if it's not too much trouble.


Thanks.

[khelvan]

I believe this thread already has at least our redone Argyraspidai (silver shield pikemen). Though the Greeks haven't received as much attention as other factions at the moment.

[PROMETHEUS]

A little update on Caesar Legion , Since I got a new book on the subject the shield has been scaled to reach the exact dimension, also I added the detail of the link of the shoulder pads that also have been reshaped , still need to retouch the helmet and pattern ....

[PROMETHEUS]

[PROMETHEUS]

Small variation on the intensity of the red hoping this could give more realism to the units so did it work? I also changed the colour of the crest to a black one did it work too?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I like the shield colour better in the last one.

Regarding the crest or mane, I thought that Caesarian Legions did not use one:

[FinnN]

Roman troops wore the crests on parade and during battles, you can see the attachments in your picture. They were put away at other times, presumably to keep them clean and intact.

Have fun
Finn

[Kurtisb]

Small variation on the intensity of the red hoping this could give more realism to the units so did it work? I also changed the colour of the crest to a black one did it work too?

Holy superb shots batman! (ehm, I mean PROMETHEUS)

Is this early post marian reforms, late post marian reforms? (Or is it still the levied legions?)

-Kurts

[FinnN]

Roman troops wore the crests on parade and during battles, you can see the attachments in your picture. They were put away at other times, presumably to keep them clean and intact.

Have fun
Finn

[professorspatula]

Small variation on the intensity of the red hoping this could give more realism to the units so did it work? I also changed the colour of the crest to a black one did it work too?

They are the best damn Romans I've seen. Brilliant! But you keep making so many minor changes I keep expecting them to end up turning out worse. I especially like the darker hues and tones of the units. Much less cartoony than the CA originals, more authentic looking and easier on the eyes (they don't blind you unlike the vanilla ones).

All the new units are looking fantastic by the way, the mod looks brilliant. And I think Prometheus is trying to get a job at CA with all his attention to detail. :P

The only minor concern about the mod is the reliance on those Osprey images for reference. You'd think they were photos from the era with the number of times they're used to justify the look and appearance of the units. I imagine it's difficult to get a large number of 'reliable' resources for reference though.


(And my apologies - my long name appears to have stretched the forum!)

[PROMETHEUS]

Ok Guys here is a semifinal stage of the Caesarian legion , a big step foward from the first version , I advice you that this is inhigh resolution textures and it will be scaled down to the normal one for the game to not cause lag for smaller computers...

[PSYCHO V]

Looking good !

[Parmenio]

Looks good Prom. :)

Noticed that there appears to be a lighting glitch on the gladius scabbard, which may need a Reset Xform to fix the vertex ordering.

[RedSilver]

May I say,

Wow.....

(Wonder Opon Wonder)

[MiniKiller]

1 word....damn! ok that was 3...now wait...9...no 10...and damn i lost count!

[professorspatula]

This sounds a bit trivial, but with all the work going into the Roman units, is there no possibility of the Roman general getting a face lift and possibly a helmet of some kind? Even in the vanilla RTW he looks like one of the stupidest generals. Hardly a mean or noble looking fellow.

[Apfel]

Well, to put it bluntly, using that symbol will make it illegal in Germany at least to play. I do not care to deal with the legal issues involved, do you?

Unless we can figure out a way to make sure that the texture is not reversed, and the ancient symbol does not get turned into a modern symbol of hate, it has no place in the mod, in my opinion.

That's not quite correct; swastikas are forbidden when used in connection with nazi parties/movements or actions that incite anti-democratic thoughts.

They MAY be shown when used for educational purposes, science reports or when used for other (honest/true) historical functions.

Let's face it; the swastika is NOT a nazi symbol, they just stole and used it for their own ideas and ideals.

I know Germans are sensitive when it comes to this topic but IMO it's not illegal to use it in a HISTORICAL modification based in a time where nazis did not even exist. The swastika is way older than the nazi regime which abused it.

German law text:

http://lawww.de/Library/stgb/86.htm
http://lawww.de/Library/stgb/86a.htm

[PROMETHEUS]

Here is the latest evolution ....

[SwordsMaster]

Like them a lot. They actually look like fighters and not like people dressed up like romans as in the original one. Can the shadows be a bit darker?

[Kurtisb]

One thing having to do with stats, they look like they are un/trained judging by their un-tidy formation, I think they should be highly_trained.

Just my 2 cents.


-Kurts

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

The mail is too dark, PROMETHEUS!! It should have a lot more contrast.

[PROMETHEUS]

No the Mail is the new one in game is the one that better gives the realism effect on the sun light and on shadows by close u can count the rings actually....

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

No the Mail is the new one in game is the one that better gives the realism effect on the sun light and on shadows by close u can count the rings actually....

Then show me a pic in sunlight.

[PSYCHO V]

Great Shields Prom !