When is Marius going to get off his...

[reddog11]

yeah but it just gets tough trying to slog through to Byzantium with principi and hastai. the blood is flowing.

[Nelson]

The reform does indeed need to be pushed back and possibly implemented in a different manner. As it is, we are suddenly unable to flesh out manipular formations and may miss triarii altogether (I did).

I would prefer to get a message that says the reforms are underway and will be in place in 5 years or so.

[Quillan]

I think it got changed during development. In the file that lists the events and the dates, the Marian Reforms are listed, but commented out.

[Oaty]

I think it got changed during development. In the file that lists the events and the dates, the Marian Reforms are listed, but commented out.

They gave it a variable (but ineveitably the trigger got figured out) so that the Marian Reforms would'nt be predictable. What happened in MTW is you knew the Mongol Horde came at 1230 so people would camp out in Kiev.

[Servius]

Well, there could be two conditions, a data and/or building trigger. The reforms could be prevented from occurring before date X and be forced to occur by date Y, and only within that window would the construction of the Imperial Palace trigger it before date Y.

Best of both worlds maybe?

[andrewt]

I prefer it to be completely triggered by the player. Some people play fast and I'd prefer not to waste hours clicking on end turn after end turn just to be able to use Marian units. The problem right now is that Imperial Palace is too easy to get to after Pro-consul's Palace and it just happens too early. Something like requiring 2 Imperial Palace level buildings might be better. That's likely going to add more than 10 turns, at the least.

[Empedocles]

Ok, In my case Marius Reform came nearly at 250 BC!!! I didn't build an imperial palace or anything, it just happened. (to the point that nearly 230 I have a city as big as necessary to build full legions!!)

diego, from Argentina

PS: I believe RTW is a great game but I HATE that you can't leave your construction queue full without spending the money just like the others TW!!! I have to micromanage and I hate it!

[Havard]

I would prefer to get a message that says the reforms are underway and will be in place in 5 years or so.

I'd settle for a message the they did happend... (playing my first game, having one of the other factions triggering it)

[King Yngvar]

In reality it happened in 107 BC if I am not mistaken. So even if you have not gotten it in 214 you should not complain...

[Sin Qua Non]

And I haven't made it to 107BC in any of my campaigns yet.... at the rate this game seems to go, the world would be conquored by early legions.

[afrit]

I definitely prefer a play-based trigger, rather than fixed date. I have yet to play a campaign beyond 200BC. In MTW, I never got to use firearm units.


The best trigger in my opinion is when the Roman factions COMBINED reach 50 provinces if the human player is roman , and when they reach 30 provinces if the human player is non roman.


The first rule ensures a roman player gets to use the new units in the civil war at least.

The second rule ensures that non-roman players get to face the new units , unless they really want to finish quickly.

[Ashen]

How about a random fixed date between 150 and 80bc? I think that would work rather well and isn't at all hard to implment.