Pike & Musket TW ( XVI-XVII mod) in the RTW

[Sad Ronin]

to RUSSIA:
Pososhnaja Rat' - Auxiliary armies similar on Opolcheniye
"Vybranniye Soldaty"= Polk Novogo Stroja? (New Order Regiment?)


to MERCENARIES
where Scottish mercenaries?
Cossacks too often acted in a role of the mercenaries in many armies of many countries

to Poland
Panc³rn³e kozaki?
Pospolitoe Rushenie ?

COSSACKS

Infantry
"Ukrainian Peasants"}#
"Serdiuks"}
"Cossack Wagon Infantry"}
Cavalry
"Cossack Veterans"}#
"Cossack Sotnia"}

To tell the truth I not like it...))

Transylvania?
Wallachia ?

Dirty peasant

@Sad Ronin
Btw à òû ñëó÷àåì íå ñ twow áóäåøü?

Ñëó÷àåì áóäó...)) Ronin.

Dead Moroz

Íó, äà, çâó÷èò õðåíîâî. Íî êàê èõ åùå íàçâàòü? Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî â êàæäîì ñòðåëåöêîì îòðÿäå áûëî íåáîëüøîå ïîäðàçäåëåíèå êîïåéùèêîâ, òèïà, òåõñàïïîðò. Êàêîãî-òî íàçâàíèÿ, íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, ó íèõ íåò è íå áûëî. Íî â èãðå îíè äîëæíû áûòü, òîìó ùî à) îíè ðåàëüíî ñóùåñòâîâàëè; á) íàäî æå êàê-òî ïðèêðûâàòü ñòðåëüöîâ... ìîëîäöîâ (÷åì ýòè êîïåéùèêè â ðåàëüíîñòè è çàíèìàëèñü). Âîò òàêàÿ áàéäà. Åñëè ó òåáÿ åñòü ëó÷øåå ïðåäëîæåíèå ïî íàçâàíèþ - ïðåäëàãàé.

Agree on 100%

Íàñ÷åò "Âûáðàííûõ". Áûëà ïðè ñòàðîì ðåæèìå öàðñêàÿ ãâàðäèÿ, æèëà â Ìîñêâå, îõðàíÿëà öàðÿ. È íàçûâàëèñü îíè, ðåàëüíî, Âûáðàííûå.

Then + Polk Novogo Stroja

[SwordsMaster]

God, all that russian text looks like elfic or something...

[Sad Ronin]

SwordsMaster
Ea...)
We are elves...)))
Simply change the coding with West-European ISO on Cyrillic (Windows) ))

[Dead Moroz]

SwordsMaster
Ea...)
We are elves...)))
Simply change the coding with West-European ISO on Cyrillic (Windows) ))

No! On Elfian (Windows). Or Elfian (KOI8-E).

[Dead Moroz]

to RUSSIA:
Pososhnaja Rat' - Auxiliary armies similar on Opolcheniye
"Vybranniye Soldaty"= Polk Novogo Stroja? (New Order Regiment?)

Íå óâåðåí íàñ÷åò Ïîñîøíîé Ðàòè, íå ïðèïîìíþ, ÷òîáû ÿ ãäå-íèáóäü òàêîå ñëîâîñî÷åòàíèå âñòðå÷àë. Äà è âîîáùå, íå ñëèøêîì ëè ñëîæíî? Âîò, Îïîë÷åíèå - ïðîñòî, ïîíÿòíî è... êðàñèâî.

Íàñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, òåðìèí "ïîëêè íîâîãî ñòðîÿ" - ãîðàçäî áîëåå ïîçäíèé. Âî âðåìåíà îíûå åãî íå óïîòðåáëÿëè... Âïðî÷åì, êîíå÷íî, "ïîìåñòíîé êîííèöû" òîãäà òîæå íå áûëî. Íî, â îòëè÷èå îò êàâàëåðèè, äëÿ íîâîé ïåõîòû ìû èìååò àóòåíòè÷íîå íàçâàíèå. È ñòðåëêîâ, è ïèêåéùèêîâ, íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, íàçûâàëè "ñîëäàòû". Ïîñêîëüêó â èãðå ìû èìååì äâà ðàçíûõ âèäà þíèòîâ è, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, äîëæíû èì îáîèì äàòü êàêèå-òî èìåíà, òî ÿ è ïðåäëîæèë: ñòðåëêîâ íàçûâàòü ñîëäàòàìè, à ïèêåéùèêîâ - êîïåéùèêàìè (äàáû ââîäèòü â çàáëóæäåíèå ïðîòèâíèêà). Íó, ðåàëüíî, íå íàçûâàòü æå èõ "Ñîëäàòû-êîïåéùèêè" èëè "Ñîëäàòû ñ êîïüÿìè"? Õåðíÿ êàêàÿ-òî ïîëó÷èòñÿ. À ïî÷åìó íå "ïèêåéùèêè" èëè "ïèêèíåðû"? Ïîòîìó ÷òî, íàñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, ýòî òåðìèíû áîëåå ïîçäíåãî âðåìåíè.

Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ðóññêèå ãâàðäåéöû òîæå äîëæíû íàçûâàòüñÿ "âûáðàííûå ñîëäàòû" è "âûáðàííûå êîïåéùèêè".

[Dirty peasant]

Dead Moroz
Íååååààà ÿ ñàì ïî ñåáå
Íó ìîå äåëî - êðèòèêà .×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ íà áóðæóéñêîì ÿçûêå ïðî÷èòàòü ýòè íàçâàíèÿ òðóäíî , äà è çíà÷åíèå èì íåïîíÿòíî Âîçüìèòå âñåõ þíèòîâ èç êàçàêîâ è òîãî...Íó ÿ ýòî òàê äëÿ ïîíòà...

[Duke Malcolm]

You could call the Scottish Musketeers 'Royal Scots'

[SwordsMaster]

@ Dead moroz

Why dont call them pikeyschiki or musketeri.
About the guard, well call them just Vybranniye (the chosen) instead of the chosen soldiers which sounds waaaaay more stupid.

And as a side suggestion, why dont you write in english to make it readable to everyone else as well.

[Silver Rusher]

WOW!!! That's one hell of a lot of factions you got there.

Limitations: 20 total (21 including rebels) and this includes the 4 auto-allied factions. If you take away three auto-allied factions and just leave the Senate (you may have to have at least one other) you still have a limit of 17.

I'm bummed by this too, I had to cut a whole load of factions out of the CTW mod.

[Dead Moroz]

Why dont call them pikeyschiki or musketeri.

Who?

About the guard, well call them just Vybranniye (the chosen) instead of the chosen soldiers which sounds waaaaay more stupid.

There are 2 kinds of guard - riflemen and pikemen. If RTW engine allows us to have two different units with one shared name then I don't mind that both these units are called just "vybranniye".

And as a side suggestion, why dont you write in english to make it readable to everyone else as well.

Because no one english speaking member complains about these names.

[SwordsMaster]

Why dont call them pikeyschiki or musketeri. Who?

"Ñîëäàòû-êîïåéùèêè" èëè "Ñîëäàòû ñ êîïüÿìè"?

There are 2 kinds of guard - riflemen and pikemen. If RTW engine allows us to have two different units with one shared name then I don't mind that both these units are called just "vybranniye".

But "Vybranniye musketeri" or even "musketeri gvardii" and the same for the pikemen to make it a bit more readable.

see, the point here is not to use 15th century names, because the language actually evolved in the last 5-6 centuries, so theres no much point using names that are meaningless for us. I mean, try to respect the original ones as long as possible, but dont let that lead to ridiculous points. If theres no satisfactory orignal name, then use a different one as long as the concept is the same. Thats my opinion of course...

Because no one english speaking member complains about these names.

Okay get your point.

[eadingas]

to RUSSIA:
Pososhnaja Rat' - Auxiliary armies similar on Opolcheniye
"Vybranniye Soldaty"= Polk Novogo Stroja? (New Order Regiment?)


to MERCENARIES
where Scottish mercenaries?
Cossacks too often acted in a role of the mercenaries in many armies of many countries

to Poland
Panc³rn³e kozaki?
Pospolitoe Rushenie ?

Ekhem... just popping in to note that we're NOT RUSSIANS :) Please don't use russian grammar endings ;)
Neither did we use any 'armored cossacks' whatever you might mean :)

"Pospolite Ruszenie" is not really a type of unit but type of recruitment - recruiting noblemen to fight. It can be simulated by a unit of simple light infantry armed with sabres, but there were all sorts of soldiers fighting in Pospolite Ruszenie, including heavy cavalry. There were two types of recruitment in Poland: Royal Army - better equipped and trained, but very expensive, and Pospolite Ruszenie - volunteers, cheap and poor. Plus some ethnic mercenaries, like Tatars and Cossacks, and king's mercenaries brought from abroad - Hungarian and German infantry.

General Bodyguards should be dragoon-type cavalry, called Rajtar (Ritter). They were very rare in this time, and only in royal army. Armored with two pistols. There were also some arquebusiers and musketeers, but only as experiment. Another experimental unit were 'polish arquebusiers' - sort of early Self-Propelled Artillery ;) - heavily armored riders carrying all sorts of heavy firearms - for example, four pistols, musket and rusznica per one rider.
Remember that polish army relies almost solely on heavy and auxilia cavalry... and at the time, it was without, a doubt the best, cavalry in Europe. But the infantry was a laugh.

As for the 'Catholic League' alliance - NOT a good idea. Not for that period. Not with Poland in it. We took no part in the religious wars, and there were times we were even allied with Turkey...

Cheers.

[Eastside Character]

As for the 'Catholic League' alliance - NOT a good idea. Not for that period. Not with Poland in it. We took no part in the religious wars, and there were times we were even allied with Turkey...

Yes, I've already realised my "Catholic League" idea was not a good one. And speaking "we" who do you have in mind? The Polish?

As for Pospolite Ruszenie, I think that "Szlachta" unit is enough to resemble it.

One more thing to all the people on the team: don't you think this Mod could use a separate sub-forum here at the Org? Just as other big projects? I think it would make things easier, especially as more and more people are being involved in it. Cegorach and others, what do you think?

Regards,
EC

[WarHawk]

You forgot Prussia as a faction.

[eadingas]

Why not make Rome = HRE? With Austria, Czechy, Saxonia and Brandenburgia/Prussy. Then you could have 30-years war as Civil War.

[cegorach]

@Eadingas

I am really well informed when it comes to the armies of that time - see P&M TW for MTW. Thank you.

@EC

We will have our own forum and webside, so subforum isn't really necessary.

regards Cegorach/Hetman

[eadingas]

Cegorach: Yeah, I noticed that after I posted. I edited out most of my remarks after that :)

[Dead Moroz]

Why not make Rome = HRE? With Austria, Czechy, Saxonia and Brandenburgia/Prussy. Then you could have 30-years war as Civil War.

Sounds good. I think it's the most logical and reasonable idea about "ex-Roman" system. Because HRE was like RTW's Romans: it consisted of semi-independent states under leadership of Emperor (Senate in RTW). Plus, real HRE represented itself as continuation of Roman Empire.

[SwordsMaster]

ok, looks like i missed a good bit over the weekend. I have to say EC came back with lots of energy!

As of the 3 factions: We need a "Senate" because otherwise the game will CTD (thats what Duke John came up with, look in the Sengoku forum) And I think the HRE+german states is a good idea.

Also the turkish alliance sounds like a good suggestion, It would somewhat limit turkey in the north but make it very challenging at the same time...

About the maps: one of them actually says "1440-1795" which kinda includes our timeframe.

Regards.
SM

[Count, tHe dEmEnToR]

You guys don't bother reading the posts on the original thread anymore?

I made a 3 frame page: A menu, news and links, but yeah, i agree, i forgot the links section. There's a beta avaiable at this URL: http://pwp.netcabo.pt/the_dementor/pm/index.htm
Well my email: the_dementor@hotmail.com See if you like the color scheme and so on...

About the short url, how will it be? Is the team willing to pay for a .com or .pl or .org or .net? Or are we just going to use free short url such as .cjb.net or .tk?

Now about the song i was composing, well, i still haven't wroten it down, but it i've already planned it, maybe in a few weeks ill have it completly ready.

One thing i forgot on the last post: I need a 967x102 banner of the mod please, or i can just do one myself, but i'll take alot of time...
As you noticed, the banner is quite large, the reason is that i planned the website for high resolutions (1024x768 and above).

The background pic is provisory, im waiting for cegorach to send me the original.