Viking Age: Total War!

[Speiz_Bankurt]

I'll see if I can find you some pics.

[wilpuri]

I am not sure of the origin of the Magyars, I am sure you know about them more than I do. All I know is that they are related to the Finns and the Estonians. I'd be interested to know more about what happened to the Magyars after they were repulsed from Bulgaria and how did they end up in Panonia.

Linguistic and ethnic links are two separate things. Sure, Magyar and Finnish and Estonian are Finno-Ugric languages, but ethnically Magyars are not related to Finns and Estonians, if they are, very distantly. I have a Hungarian classmate, and he is almost Turkic in appearance. Black hair, darkish skin, dark eyes.

[Speiz_Bankurt]

The finno-ugric theory is becoming more and more doubtful. Here's a good link for anyone interested on Magyars. It acknowledges the finno-ugric theory and mentions a few other ones which are also qiute feasable. There's also some mention of legends, obviously not factual info, but mildly interesting anyway.

http://hungarianhistory.freeservers.com/magyars.html

I found some pics btw, but I don't know how to post them.

[King Yngvar]

I have a Hungarian classmate, and he is almost Turkic in appearance. Black hair, darkish skin, dark eyes.

I've only met one in Norway, he had light skin, blue eyes and light brownish hair. I don't know if it is common, but still...

I found some pics btw, but I don't know how to post them.

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Make them into JPG files and send them to yngvarv@hotmail.com

[Headhunter]

I was just thinking how great it would be If RTW was made into a dark age mod, what your doing is way over what i expected. I really hope this gets finished, the blueprint for its looks great.
I wouldn'd know were to start in modding RTW, so I'm sorry to say I'm really of no help to you other than a player in waiting.

Will there be much new graphic work and detail added?

[King Yngvar]

I wouldn'd know were to start in modding RTW, so I'm sorry to say I'm really of no help to you other than a player in waiting.

Perhaps you could be a tester when the time is ready

Will there be much new graphic work and detail added?

Well, since we can't use any of the original RTW units or buildings due to the leap in years, I guess we have to add much graphic work...

[CaeroxVII]

I like how this mod focuses on the vikings!(with the title: Viking Age!!)

[Meneldil]

Err, was that ironical or what ?

[Headhunter]

How do you upload images to your posts here?

[Headhunter]

...I have a few graphics that might be off use.

[King Yngvar]

I would give these links a try, for everyone who wish to post screenies. You can register and get free image space...

https://www.photobucket.com

http://www.imageshack.us

I like how this mod focuses on the vikings!(with the title: Viking Age!!)

Witty

...I have a few graphics that might be off use.

You do? Sounds great If you wish to contact further, my msn/email is: yngvarv@hotmail.com

[Headhunter]

I would give these links a try, for everyone who wish to post screenies. You can register and get free image space...

https://www.photobucket.com

http://www.imageshack.us

Anyway of uploading images here without signing up to a third party spam fest?
How did you post those pics in your previous posts?

It seems a bit bizzare to have a modding forum were you can't upload images.

[Meneldil]

Here's what I thought for the new factions :

The Senate > The Papacy
The Scipii > Western Franks
The Brutii > Eastern Franks
The Julii > The Kingdom of Asturias
The Greek Cities > The Kingdom of Italy
Macedon > The Byzantine Empire
The Seleucid Empire > The Bulgar Kaghnate
The Numidian > Al Andalus Khaliphate
The Carthaginian > Kievan Rus'
The Parthian > The Magyar
The Scythian > The Pole
The Egyptian > Ungrian people (don't remember their name)
The German > The Dane
The Gauls > Normandy
The Britons > Sweden
The Dace > Norway
Armenia > The Scot
Pontus > The Irish
The Iberian > Mercia
The Thracian > York
The Slaves > The Rebels

As you can see, there are 21 factions, slaves included, so we have to cut out another faction. I thought about the welsh, but any faction from britain could do it, since there are many people on a not so big island..

The factions in bold are the real important ones, since they will be the one that will receive missions from the senate, and will probably be allied at the beginning of the game. I think the 2 frankish factions must be allied with the senate. I chose the KoAsturia as the third faction because it was fully supported by the pope during their fight against Al Andalus.
We could also set the Kingdom of Italy as the third roman faction, so it doesn't attack the pope after a few turns.

Hopefully, the next patch will allow us to add new factions.

[Headhunter]

None of those are period except Leinster's, but Ulster's is closest to period (just needs a silver cross in the palm).

However, there is an Irish flag that is simply a white field with a silver harp upon it. It is the Holy Mark, and was often flown by Irish kings, as an alternative to the blue-with-gold harp.
Edit;

I have an early Holy Mark flag of Ireland, used by both the kings of Munster and Ulster. The early version is the silver harp on a pale yellow field, I've tried to recreate it as best I can, but not sure how to upload an image on my computer to the board. However, I think this should be agreeable. No blue, and it's not the overused flag of Leinster, and, it would be period.

Heres two flags I made for Ireland based on your info. I prefer the white but whatever you think yourself.





I resized these graphics that i did a couple of years ago for civ3. I thought they could be used to add a bit of unique flavour to the mod.
If you like them theres another 10 more.

[Ranika]

One minor addition to the flag I forgot would be the presence of three crosses in the lower left corner, arranged like:

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The top cross and the lower left cross are typical Celtic crosses with 'halos' around the cross-point, and the the lower right is a cross with no halo. Otherwise, very good looking flags, except the yellow variant would be paler. It's an almost white-yellow (probably why mine has few traces of the yellow color left in it). Also, this board displays it improperly. The top cross is in the middle of the lower two.

[Meneldil]

HeadHunter, those pics are awesome

Would you mind sending them to me ?

[Headhunter]

Hows that?

[Ranika]

That looks great, that's the proper hue and crosses. I like that flag.

[Headhunter]

I was reading your discription of the period scots flag but I can't really picture it.
You know your stuff, so If you post up some links and/or images of other flags for factions that are definitly goiing to be in the game I can get them done and over with.

If they arn't the exact type you can explain the rest and i'll try to get it close enough.

[King Yngvar]

I have actually been doing some rethinking, concidering the flag of the high kings (Ireland will still be "brutii coloured" on the map).



Another option is the flag newly made by Headhunter

The last one is the flag of Leinster (green with a golden harp).


Everyone make your vote for one of these three, I will post up a poll on TotalRome and put up the link here: http://forums.totalrome.com/vb/showthread.php?t=572

I resized these graphics that i did a couple of years ago for civ3. I thought they could be used to add a bit of unique flavour to the mod.
If you like them theres another 10 more.

Nice character pics, thank you. Would be neat if you showed us the others as well

The Senate > The Papacy
The Scipii > Western Franks
The Brutii > Eastern Franks
The Julii > The Kingdom of Asturias
The Greek Cities > The Kingdom of Italy
Macedon > The Byzantine Empire
The Seleucid Empire > The Bulgar Kaghnate
The Numidian > Al Andalus Khaliphate
The Carthaginian > Kievan Rus'
The Parthian > The Magyar
The Scythian > The Pole
The Egyptian > Ungrian people (don't remember their name)
The German > The Dane
The Gauls > Normandy
The Britons > Sweden
The Dace > Norway
Armenia > The Scot
Pontus > The Irish
The Iberian > Mercia
The Thracian > York
The Slaves > The Rebels

This should not mean colours on everyone however...

Norway: German Red
Denmark: Dacian Brown
Sweden: Egyptian Yellow
German Kingdom: Macedon Black
Frankish Kingdom: Scipii Blue
Scotland: Dark Blue
Dublin-York: Briton Blue
Karelia: Thracian Blue
Ireland: Brutii Green
Italy: Gallic Green
Normandy: Scythian Orange
Wessex: Julii Red
Cordoba: Iberian Colour(name?)
Gardariki: Carthaginian White
Papacy: Light Yellow
Byzantine Empire: Senate Purple
Magyars: Greek Colour(name?)
Poland: Parthian Purple
Bulgar Kingdom: Dark Brown

As you can see, there are 21 factions, slaves included, so we have to cut out another faction. I thought about the welsh, but any faction from britain could do it, since there are many people on a not so big island..

Yeap, they may have to go, even though Britain will be the smallest piece of land with such an high amount of provinces.

We could also set the Kingdom of Italy as the third roman faction, so it doesn't attack the pope after a few turns

I was thinking to add Italy, Asturia and the German Kingdom. Cutting out the western Franks, leaving things open for warfare between them and the other remains of the Carolingian empire. They could be given some extra strength in return.

However if we do get the ability to make more than the 20 factions I suggest splitting Italy in three parts:

Kingdom of Italy, Venetia and Benevento. These could just get the exact same units...

[King Yngvar]

I was reading your discription of the period scots flag but I can't really picture it.
You know your stuff, so If you post up some links and/or images of other flags for factions that are definitly goiing to be in the game I can get them done and over with.

If they arn't the exact type you can explain the rest and i'll try to get it close enough.

I can ask Trajan for the ones he made and post it up. I got some myself, but I'll wait till I get his as well, then we get them all at once.

[Ranika]

I was having trouble finding a proper flag for the Scots, online at least. But then, I found one almost identical to the period proper one. It's the modern Scottish government flag. http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/icons/rampflag.gif This flag is almost identical. In 900, the Scot's used what was essentially this flag, but with no red border, and a crossed spear and sword beneath the lion. A similar flag, but with a solid red border, was used as the banner of the Moarmor, the Scottish king's personal guards and elite soldiers.

I've been growing closer to wanting the 'holy mark' style of flag for Ireland. The blue background with gold harp is close, and not truly improper (it was used about the same time as the holy mark, varying kings used each one on and off).

[Headhunter]

Nice character pics, thank you. Would be neat if you showed us the others as well

I don't know if these are of any use. I think that each head in the game comes as a set, progressing to old age, were as this is all i have. I could try to make them look older with photoshop but it would be too much effort for crap results compared to the heads already in the game.

Heres one that could be used a druid retinue pic maybe.


Ranika, just to clear it up before i start. Should the scots flag just be the lion with a sword and spear below, nothing else, and the banner the same but with a soild red border?

[Ranika]

It should be the same, with sword and spear, but no red border. I suggested the red border earlier, by mistake. That's not the king's mark in 900, it's the mark of his bodyguards. So, it would be a rampant lion, on a plain yellow field, with sword and spear beneath it, and no border.

[wilpuri]

I assume the Light Green on the map is Karelia? If so, there were a few things I would change:

1) Take away the most eastern province. There was very little real contact besides trade and hunting trips over such long distances.

2) Give Savo and Western Karelia to Karelia.

So the map would look like this:

[Headhunter]

It should be the same, with sword and spear, but no red border. I suggested the red border earlier, by mistake. That's not the king's mark in 900, it's the mark of his bodyguards. So, it would be a rampant lion, on a plain yellow field, with sword and spear beneath it, and no border.

Scots flag/banner. I'm not that happy with it, but if you think it looks ok it'll do. Its the best i could do with the sword and spear.
If it isn't up to scratch I can do another one without them or someone else can have a go at doing the sword and spear.

[Ranika]

That looks alright to me, spear and sword could maybe use a bit work, but they look alright, that'd look fine in game to me.

[Headhunter]

An older looking verson, the sword and spear don't look as out of place in this one.

[Ranika]

That looks much better, go with that one.

[Headhunter]

Ranika, do you have any info the wessex flag of the time?
I'd look myself, but your more knowledgeable about details of that time than me.
'Dublin-york': Would it not be better to give Leinster in Ireland to Norway to drag them into war with Ireland and call the northern anglo-saxon kingdom Mercia?

If so, info on Mercian flag of the time. If not something to represent Dublin-york.