Becoming A Protectorate

[TinCow]

I'm not at home so I can't check, but I *think* my income from diplomacy the turn afterwards was 3100 (or something close to that). However, I know that about 2500 of that was from the Gauls via tribute and I am pretty sure the rest is Armenian tribute (map trade). There was definitely no large sum deposited into my treasury right afterwards... as far as I can tell, no financial benefits except for the tribute and the trade rights.

When a faction becomes a Protectorate of yours their lands are supposed to count as yours for victory purposes so I am lead to believe (or at least that is how it is supposed to work)... So I would assume that the players faction becoming the Protectorate of another faction is basically losing the game...

Definitely didn't lose the game. I'm still playing without any problems. Even with my territories, Gaul is a LONG way away from controlling 50 provinces so that's not much of a concern for me.

[Bob the Insane]

Yeah, I just noticed I did not read the first post correctly....

Remeber that Protectorates are at the moment apparantly a "little broken" to quote one CA dev who posts here and this might apply to becoming a protectorate yourself...

Which I did not think was possible!!!!

[TinCow]

Which I did not think was possible!!!!

I was very hesitant about it when I saw it offered. I actually tabbed out and searched the forums for any insight into this, but none came up. In the end, I decided I didn't have a whole lot to lose so I accepted, as much out of curiosity as anything else.

Interestingly, they didn't offer me the protectorate when I asked for a ceasefire. They only offered it when I tried to sell them my map. They then countered with Give us Map, Protectorate and we give you tribute.

[Quillan]

I've seen a screenshot where Egypt offered the Seleucids the opportunity to become an Egyptian protectorate (the player was running the Seleucids). Apparantly CA slipped another joke into the game there, because the Pharaoh's message was "All your base are belong to us".

[Bob the Insane]

They only offered it when I tried to sell them my map. They then countered with Give us Map, Protectorate and we give you tribute.

That sounds well broken....

I will have to try offering the AI a tribute to become a protectorate and see if that works....

[sunsmountain]

No you are not allowed to attack Gaul like you are planning to. If an ally of Gaul attacks one of your allies, then you are allowed to break the Protectorate.

You shouldn't be able to attack Gaul armies, therefore.

But i wouldn't be surprised if you could. The diplomacy system isn't watertight or very serious in casus belli or diplomacy effects. One should have a diplomacy rating or standing that drops or rises according to actions done in the past, with a normalizing effect over time. Ah i'm dreaming, who am i kidding?

[TinCow]

No you are not allowed to attack Gaul like you are planning to. If an ally of Gaul attacks one of your allies, then you are allowed to break the Protectorate.

You shouldn't be able to attack Gaul armies, therefore.

But i wouldn't be surprised if you could. The diplomacy system isn't watertight or very serious in casus belli or diplomacy effects. One should have a diplomacy rating or standing that drops or rises according to actions done in the past, with a normalizing effect over time. Ah i'm dreaming, who am i kidding?

I have had an ally attack me without breaking the alliance before... it was actually Germany in this very game and brought about the need to attempt the ceasefire with the Gauls. If it is possible to break an alliance, shouldn't it be possible to break a protectorate?

[nokhor]

i hope its a feature and not because being a protectorate is broken. i think it'd be a great feature if the player can become a protectorate. as long as there were severe restrictions on getting out of being a protectorate.