Your most hated enemy unit?

[Octavius Julius]

What is your most hated enemy units?

Elephants and charoits i'd presume if you were fighting Carthage or the Britons.

However, I played a VH/VH Julii game and found myself getting whipped by the gauls because they had Chosen Swordmen and all I had were a few Princepes and mostly Hastati.

[Lord of the Isles]

What is your most hated enemy units?

Elephants and charoits i'd presume if you were fighting Carthage or the Britons.

However, I played a VH/VH Julii game and found myself getting whipped by the gauls because they had Chosen Swordmen and all I had were a few Princepes and mostly Hastati.

Armoured War Elephants. Total Realism mod, me the Parthians against an Egyptian army with a unit of 12 of those babies (36 men on them). Couldn't kill a single man despite surrounding them with 4 units of Persian HA, then tried some archer & slinger fire, then hillmen. Eventually was running short of options so sent 2 fresh units of cataphracts (54 men each) charging into them. Half the cataphracts dead and still the original 36 elephant crew.

Only won the battle when all other 19 Egyptian units had routed and half my original forces were left, on top a hill waiting for the elephants to reach them. Charged everyone at them as they approached and, glory be, they ran amok.

Still had the original 36 crew though. Tough mothers.

[The_Emperor]

Elephants certainly....

I played a Rome Huge city assault game 3vs2 (though it was three players defending and only two assaulting, so it was always rigged against us) one of the defenders stacked up on armoured war elephants, so even after we got past the Walls and the arrow towers we then faced them in the main plaza.

After successfully startling the elephants, they ran armok in the plaza square and still ran after our armies!! it took us forever to fell them all, and then at the end of it we still had to take on the armies of two other players.

Elephants in a city assault are not good.

[R'as al Ghul]

I play without any mods attached.
Those Elephant units on very hard are really tough to kill.
In my current Parthian campaign I yet have to kill a single Elephant.
All I manage to do is to pummel them with arrows from all sides until they run amok and hopefully leave the field. Chariots aren't that big a problem when you habe Bedouin Warriors, once you brought their numbers and their morale down with constant arrow-fire, you can charge them with the Bedouins and escort them off the field. Those two units are annoying but the real Nemesis for Parthia on VH is any fast Cav which can catch your HA and due to the +7 attack bonus will most likely kill them.
Playing Greece there wasn't much capable opposition but I quit that campaign before I met Elephants, Chariots can be broke by a combo of phalanx, archers and light Cav or Camels.

R'as

[Bob the Insane]

Desert.Axe.Men...... ggggrrrrrrrrr....

[warlordmb]

Elephants - definately.

I was assaulting a Numidian town once when they sortied against me.

They had this one unit of 10 standard elephants (no armour, no archers).

They charged pretty early on, without much support and mashed two of my fine upstanding cohorts. I attacked with everything - pilum from my infantry, L. cav and H. cav. Sent my velites in to sling some big pointy sticks at them. Still no good. had my velites melee the elephants as I remember this had worked well in one of the Time Commnder battles (can't remember which one except both sides had elephants). This failed as well.
Masses archer fire, standard and flame, failed miserably.

Eventually, my single onager got a lucky flamer hit - they were aiming at the foot troops coming through the gateway to deploy. Killed four of them in one hit, toasted elephant anyone? The remaining 6 then went into berserk mode for the rest of the battle. I spent the next five minutes shuffling infantry out of my nice orderly battle line away from rampaging tuskers until they eventually shuffled off around the city walls and dissappeared off the back of the map just as the battle was finally decided in my favour.

I acquired a very healthy respect for elephants after that experience and whenever I played as Scipii was sure to recruit a mercenary elephant unit as soon as poss.

Elephants definately.

[Red Harvest]

CA seems to have taken a step backward with the multi hit point approach to units like elephants. It makes them LESS vulnerable to sharp pointy projectiles. You end up having to wipe out almost the whole unit's hit points before you start getting kills. It collapses rapidly once it starts taking casualties.

Some of the same applies to chariots. What I think we should see is the mount breaking down (elephant/chariot)...even if the men aboard don't.

[R'as al Ghul]

CA seems to have taken a step backward with the multi hit point approach to units like elephants. It makes them LESS vulnerable to sharp pointy projectiles. You end up having to wipe out almost the whole unit's hit points before you start getting kills. It collapses rapidly once it starts taking casualties.

Some of the same applies to chariots. What I think we should see is the mount breaking down (elephant/chariot)...even if the men aboard don't.

Could you elaborate further?
Who has the hitpoints, the mounts or the riders? I guess it's the mount.
How long do you figure has one to shoot with, say 4 units of HA, to wipe out all the Hitpoints? So far I didn't manage to kill a single one of them.

R'as

[praetorians cavalry]

Of course Armoured Elephant.Scythed chariot and Egyptians chariot are annoying,too.But Britons chariot is easy to cut down.

[warlordmb]

I agree with you Red Harvest that CA have taken a step backwards with Elephant bashing. I remember several of the battles on Time Commanders where skirmishers were able to kill some or all of the elephants because they were in a more open formation and had a weapon type capable of doing something nasty to them. I'm sure I remember Ron Noades saying something about skirmishers sticking spears into elephants testicles and how effective they could be.

Every unit in this game should have a counter. Apparently, the only real counter to elephants is flaming bacon which I have struggled to use effectively because they are difficult to control.

Do all the factions have access to Burning pigs?

And besides, burning pigs don't kill elephants they only cause them to stampede/run amok.

Even armoured elephants can be killed - with extreme difficulty of course!!