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    Clan Takiyama Senior Member R'as al Ghul's Avatar
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    Default No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Remember that silly eighties song?
    Nevermind. I'm broke and not making a single denari due to invasion forces roaming my lands. Is there any way to make money really quick? Like now?
    I have a diplomat on my allies land a bit further away and did already sell them my map a few years ago. Would they fancy to buy it again? Has anyone tried to sell the map to the same faction multiple times? Any other idea how to make money quick? Invading an enemy city is no option at the moment, I'm afraid.

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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Become a protectorate of your enemy

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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Selling maps is cheese imho.

    Try disbanding troops (you obviously have more than your economy can bear), demolish building you don't need for a quick fix and make peace and trade with neighbors.
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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Quote Originally Posted by Magraev
    Selling maps is cheese imho.
    Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by Magraev
    Try disbanding troops (you obviously have more than your economy can bear), demolish building you don't need for a quick fix and make peace and trade with neighbors.
    I'll look into that. Good idea. There may be the one or other building and depleted merc unit I don't need.

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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Selling maps is interesting.

    The first time you sell a map, you will get a nice bit of cash for it, and the more territories you own and other factions' territories you can see, the more your map is worth.

    If the other faction doesn't have enough cash to buy your map, then you obviously cannot sell it to them. They say something like "we cannot meet your proposal at this time" or similar.

    Then, if you station diplomats around the the other factions cities or armies, you can sell them your map every turn or so, provided you are discovering more land. Generally, as far as I am aware, selling your map every turn to the same faction, will get you about 100 Dn per sale. That's with modest or little expansion/exploration.

    Usually, if I'm playing as the Julii, I can get about 1,000 to 2,000 Dn for a first time sale of a map.

    My tactic is to send my diplomat to Patavium (Gauls), then go east to Segestica (Dacia, if they have kicked the rebels out), then go north through the Alps to Montognium (Germanics) and then travel onto Sambrovina (Britons). By then you will have collected a nice amount, however, those guys will know exactly what your empire looks like, but that doesn't matter as this is the AI, not a human player.

    The better your diplomat is, the more money you get, as he is capable of driving a hard bargain. A good idea is to swap maps. This will show you where all his provinces and cities are, it also reveals resources, so it's nice knowing which provinces have mines in them.
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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    You can make lots of money through diplomacy. Negotiate, ask for single payments or regular tribute. You can sell maps regularly, they will always buy if you make some new discoveries.

    Chase rebels from your lands, they disrupt trade.

    Don't garrison more than needed, unused troops gobble a lot of money. Build docks, better roads. Keep an eye to your governors. You'd better enslave than exterminate at the begining (later you'll have problems with population growth, but when you start your campaign, you need more people in your cities).

    Above all, try to understand how it works and be patient.

    My first campaign was a complete failure. I was permanently broke, couldn't build anything...

    The second was quite alright, I never went on negative. But when Civil War erupted, my financial stability shattered.

    The third has been a success. I earned more than I could spend, having like 800 k in the bank. (Well yes, faction matters. Scipii get the rich Greek and Eastern Mediterranean provinces, that helps to strike rich quick ).
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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Thanks Vlad,
    I obviously left the impression that this was my first campaign. My fault.
    To clarify, after successfully having won with Brutii, Greece, Egypt and Seleucia I am now playing Parthia on vh/vh. Things went rather well for the first 30 turns. I captured Seleucia and Hatra from the Seleucids. I wiped out Armenia and took the rebel Province between the Parthian capitol and Armenia. I also took Campus Alanni(?) from the Skythians. I'm allied to Dacia and Thracia. Enemies are Seleucia, Pontus and Egypt. I could successfully defeat them repeatedly in the desert with HA-only armies. The only reasonable income so far has been from map-trading, capturing cities and either enslaving or exterminating.
    The situation now is that Pontus tries to take Armenia. Seleucia tries to retake Hatra and Egypt marches on either Seleucia or Susa. I have little armies in Hatra, Seleucia and the Armenian capitol. After about 5-6 battles each of these army stacks needs retraining very badly. Just when I ran out of money. Almost all my units are desperately needed. The garrisons in the remote cities are mainly peasants and slingers. All fighting units are either HA or PersianCav.
    There are no rebels on my land but invading armies, full stacks of them. Roads are build, docks are build etc. I think I have understood the game mechanics and I'm patient but as it is right now, I need money now to retrain my units or a ceasefire.

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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Become a protectorate of your enemy
    Can you offer this in the diplomacy screen or do you have to be asked?

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    Default Re: No Tengo Denari...Oh No!

    Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
    Can you offer this in the diplomacy screen or do you have to be asked?
    No, you cannot offer it but if you ask for a ceasefire (or alliance or them to become a protectorate or something else silly enough...) they might do.

    They do in my campaigns if they are strong enough! You can play with the diplomacy options until they offer it

    It happens with my preassigned enemies in the game though, the de facto enemy factions, not the casual ones. (Didn't try it with casual enemies, should work, I suppose...)

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