sweetzero, you're ignorance knows no bounds. You have no idea the audios I do, and are basing your assumptions on ONE game. Perhaps you should download the one i did tonight, or the others posted? How about send a replay worth doing, or better yet, do it yourself? Try contributing before you start condemning. I'm afraid you're not going to get much from these audios or this game, and I think you'd be best off waiting for Imperial Glory when it is released.

Ah, so we're only good because of Onagers? Im impressed you can make that assumption without having ever played/seen me play. More ignorance. Our games are played in BOTH formats, and to limit the game with lame rules is ridiculous. Field artillery, i.e. catapults and balista, were used in real life warfare, and are included in the game for a reason. If you are going to place those kind of rules, then you are limiting the aspects of the game. All but handful of factions have the ability to use onagers, so its not like only ONE faction has that advantage.

Furthermore, any player with a modicum of common sense will deploy his general OUT OF RANGE of an onager, not to mention dispersing their armies. Watch a replay of mine if you want an example. Elephants, same deal. People are limiting the game, and blaming their losses on units instead of their inability to deal with those units. Carthage lacks shock troops, GOOD heavy cavalry and any kind of decent ranged unit. They require Elephants to be viable, and thats leaving history out of it. Did it ever occur to you it requires 200 deniarri for one pig unit to rout a 3000 denari elephant? Elephants are easy to counter.

I saw a game the other night that was "No art, No ele, No Egypt!" So I am to assume that anyone playing Egypt is also breaking rules and has no skill. Gotcha. Anyone who masses 10 art units is easy pickings even to the novice player. A poor excuse.

Cheetah, flame baiting is bad enough, but when you're the mod of the site thats even more reprehensible. Your very post embarrasses this site.

I don't worry myself or lose sleep over "making friends on the internet."
Apparently it is impossible to have a serious discussion even here, as people like Sweet and Cheetah are more interested in creating an environment of hostility and tension then in furthering the idea. Its not like you were FORCED to post in this thread. This entire post has been hijacked and twisted, the very point of which has been lost. The fact that a mod is able to threaten and run this like a gulag is as amazing to me as it is saddening. I had thought better of you.