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    Dungalloigh Brehonda Member Ranika's Avatar
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    I'm wondering if anyone would mind if I start throwing ideas out for new British provinces. Dead Moroz plans to have the map include all of Scotland, I will include that in the map, as well as Hibernia.

    Firstly, I think an Iceni province would be proper, as well as Dumnonii (the lower peninsula of the current Tribus Siluri province, since it's so large). I only know the Latin name for the Iceni capitol, Venta Icenorum. The Dumnonii province could be cut in half, if it's still too big, or more British provinces are possible, with the west half as Dumnonia, and the east half as Durotriges. Once again, only know Latin capitols, Durotrigas was Duronavaria, Dumnonia's was Isca Dumnoniorum. In the west of north Wales, the very west, would be the Ordovices, with a capitol at Caernarfon. They're a notable possible add due to the unique Ordovicii hammer warriors, who would surely make an interesting addition to the Britons.

    Hibernia should be divided into half, the north belonged to the Gaelic king Heremon, the south, to his brother Eber. In the north east and south west, respectively, were Ir's and Lughaid's lands, but they were both subject to either Heremon or Eber, and were more local lesser kings, so those divisions are unnecessary.

    At 270 AD, Gauls from Armorica began to 'invade' Ireland, though it was fairly peaceful, compared to the invasions into Britain. This is largely because Gauls, along with Celts from Iberia, are who took the land from the Tuatha Da Danaan; also called the Cruithin, or Picts. The two halves would be called 'Connachta' (the northern), and Eoganachta (the southern). Their capitols would be at Tara, in the north, and Milidhi (named after Milidh, or Milesius, the 'father of the Gaelic race') in the south. These two halves, however, are speculation from Irish legends. The first comfirmable halves are the north as 'Leath Cuinn', Con's Half, and the south as 'Leath Mogha', Mogha's half. Tara remains the capitol in the north, but Diseanach, then, is the capitol of the south, near modern day Cork.

    Scotland, I'd divide into three. Cat, the land of the north Picts, encompassing a little less than 50% of the upper portion of Scotland, Athfotla, the land of the south Picts, taking up most of the southern section, and Caledonia, the Britanno-Pict lands, taking up the remainder, as well as a portion of northern Britain. While the Romans called the whole of the lands Caledonia, Dark Age records from various monastic sources insist that Pictland was once three or four kingdoms, a north and south Pict kingdom, and an indepedent Briton kingdom, called Caledonia, which was overrun by the Scotti Gaels, founding the kingdom of Dal Riata. The capitol of Cat would likely be Argyll, but the Pict name would be different, possibly Arust, or Arst, and the capitol of the south Picts would likely be at Dumbarton (the later capitol, in the south of Monmouth), or possibly the earlier capitol of Kilna in Fibb, but that city is a legend, as, if it were real, then it was burned to the ground by the army of Kenneth Mac Alpin to suppress a rebellion.

    I do not know a good capitol for a province of Caledonia, and any suggestions would be good.
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    The Iceni themselves controlled most of East Anglia at around this time. I would also be tempted to put in some region specific units. Such as Caledonii or Pictish Warbands, or basic celtic Cavalry in the Southern Briton provinces (to reflect trade of horses with Gaul)...

    Some Iceni specific units would also be great.
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    I think we should definitely see at least a single Pict mercenary or rebel unit. And sorry I forgot to mention the placement of the Iceni, only in retrospect do I realize I've overlooked it.

    And while I do agree some region specific units would be great (Gaelic Fianna!), I think it'd be asking a bit much at the time, with the current constraints of how many units we can have, though, it would be fun to dream, though I'm not certain what Iceni uniques you may have in mind. But either way, a Pict unit, at least one, is a necessity, I think, to properly convey the Pictish people, as they were of no resemblance to their Celtic neighbors. Also, as mentioned, I'd like to see hammer warriors for the Ordovices.
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    This is similar to how I modded Britain... I think 6 provinces is maximum for Britain, otherwise the Britons will be too overpowered.
    I added Dumnonii in Cornwall, and Caledonia. I was thinking about adding Icens in the east, but I'm not sure if that's not too many. And were Icens that important a tribe in the 200s BC, before Trinovantes were annihilated by Romans?
    I'm not too keen on dividing Caledonia and Ireland. They're real outskirts of civilization at the time, and not that important. It would be too much small provinces - if we divide Caledonia in two, how many provinces we'd have to give to Galia and Germany - 20 each?

    BTW Britain - should Silurii be Ordovicii instead? Ordovicii were more important in Wales at the time, Silurii came to power in post-Roman times...
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    Pictures, please!

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    It looks like this:


    Although don't pay too much attention to placing of settlements, it's not very historical at the moment... and my latin grammar is VERY rusty
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    Ok from what I know of the Iceni, their territory comprised of all of Norfolk and about half of Suffolk.

    As for a unique unit, I am not entirely sure what would be best for them. Maybe a unique swordsman unit... While the caledonii get a fanatic/raider unit. (the fighting between the northern tribes was considered to be a lot fiercer, as they had fewer resources and raided each other a lot more).
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