outlawed within 15 years

**Ldvs** · 11-10-2004, 22:43

Last time I played as Romans (Julii) I got outlawed in 100 BC, I had a very strong plebian support, it made sense. But there it was rather... unexpected

**Siris** · 11-10-2004, 23:11

Probably not a bug, just what your game decided to throw at you on that Campaign.

I did not experience such results, however if there is many more, I would just say that the game is made that way.

**Spino** · 11-10-2004, 23:34

Being outlawed 15 years into a campaign sounds fairly buggy to me. I can't believe CA would program the 'Senate outlawing a faction' trigger to be a purely random event, it simply doesn't make sense. Does your faction leader possess any traits that might wreck his Influence rating? If you've created no tricky alliances and have done nothing wrong other than fail a single Senate mission then either this is probably the result of a wildly improbably roll of the dice combined with something small amiss in the relevant files.

**Ldvs** · 11-11-2004, 09:54

Originally Posted by Spino

Being outlawed 15 years into a campaign sounds fairly buggy to me. I can't believe CA would program the 'Senate outlawing a faction' trigger to be a purely random event, it simply doesn't make sense. Does your faction leader possess any traits that might wreck his Influence rating? If you've created no tricky alliances and have done nothing wrong other than fail a single Senate mission then either this is probably the result of a wildly improbably roll of the dice combined with something small amiss in the relevant files.

My faction's leader possessed no traits that could provoke the Senate's wrath (skilled bureaucrat, skilled commander, ex-Quaestor, etc...). I had no allies but the other roman factions. If I had been outlawed alone, then maybe it could have been a Senate's plot but considering the two other Roman families shared my fate I doubt it.

**Domitius Ahenobarbus** · 11-12-2004, 01:04

When I played the Brutii campaign, my faction was outlawed by the senate in 268 B.C., two years after the beginning!

Is this really supposed to happen?

One of my generals did have one the "bonus to popularity with the people, penalty to the popularity with the senate" traits, but two years is awfully quick...

**Oaty** · 11-12-2004, 01:29

Well first of all I'm thinking a mod is causing this, if no mods are in use no idea. Also did you check your income from corruption occasionally it's not a negative and 1 year I mysteriously had an income of 20,000 from corruption and other. I do'nt know if the income was corruption or other but it enede up in my treasury. Check your senate offices see who's the trearurer for the senate.

The reason you and the 2 others got outlawed and heres my guess. If you are way overpowering the senate only outlaws you if all 3 factions can compete then all 3 get outlawed.

**Komutan** · 11-12-2004, 03:13

There is a bug which gets you outlawed.

I was laying siege to a rebel city.The Scipii bribed the city, which resulted in my faction taking a Scipii city and therefore getting outlawed.Everything happened between my 2 turns, so I could not lift the siege.

Of course all 3 of the roman factions getting outlawed is very strange...

**Sinner** · 11-12-2004, 11:03

I suspect that as well as your faction leader's ancilliaries and traits and how they effect his standing with the senate and the people, plus the effect of any conquered provinces and mission results of course, that there might be a random factor upon game start, adding or subtracting one or more points of standing.

The reason I believe there is a random factor is that while I was playing around with the campaign start file I once began a game where my leader was instantly ordered to commit suicide. I'm fairly certain that I hadn't changed the file between that and the previous game, at least not in an area that should have effected my leader's popularity. I didn't go back and check since I was busy testing other areas, but it's something worth looking at when I get home.

It's definitely possible to guarantee being outlawed at the start of the game. I began a Scipii campaign last night after giving my leader as many ancilliaries and traits I could that boosted his standing with the people and reduced his senate standing. Naturally I refused the invitation to commit suicide and so I'm already in a civil war with my fellow Romans, plus I still have to deal with the Carthaginians... should be amusing.

**Pellinor** · 11-12-2004, 15:46

Originally Posted by Komutan

Of course all 3 of the roman factions getting outlawed is very strange...

Strange? Try this:

I am playing as the Julii (H/H). I have taken western and central Europe , and I'm on about 48 provinces. The Bruti have four provinces in Illyria, the Scipiones have Sicily and Africa west of Cyrenaica.

I am at 10 popular approval, and about 4 or 5 with the Senate; I get the message saying "the people wouldn't mind if you marched on Rome". So, I attack the Bruti in Illyria as a prelude to taking out Rome.

The Senate outlaws me. It also outlaws the Bruti (who have done nothing in 50 years save get attacked by me) and the Scipiones (who have demolished Rome's enemies then stopped at the border of their allies), and gives me two missions: attack the Bruti or be outlawed, and attack the Scipiones or be outlawed. I have -1 turns remaining to achieve these.

So: I am apparently Romulus reborn, despotically trying to become dictator over the the people who love me; anathema to the Senate, and its last best hope to put down the traitorous other familes and foil their evil plots to get attacked while peacefully minding their own business.

I like to role-play things, but I've lost the plot of this one. I'm half expecting to get "attack the Julii or be oulawed" as a mission

Cheers,

Pell.R.