Hellenistic Forces

**The_Emperor** · 11-12-2004, 10:48

Besides, Roman cavalry was of really poor quality. In their Greek battles they relied more on their Greek allies (yes, they defeated the Greeks with the aid of ...other Greeks) rather than their own cavalry.

Thats interesting, at the moment Greek cavalry is the worst in the game (no heavy cav other than General's Guards, and Equites beat vanilla Greek cav and Militia Cav).

Looks like the Pre-Marian Cav needs to be Nerfed.

**eadingas** · 11-12-2004, 11:10

And reduced in numbers, if it's possible. I don't know what the minimum size of a cavalry unit could be for it to still matter on the field (ie. to it not getting simply smashed by numbers) but it needs comparative reduction...
Maybe even raise up the stats a bit, but lower the size? I've been experimenting with very small numbers - a 'Magic Potion Warriors' unit of 6 soldiers with super-high stats can safely survive against large enemy units.

**The_Emperor** · 11-12-2004, 11:19

Also we need to make sure that Numidian cavalry can beat Equites, as they pretty much always did in every Punic war encounter! The Numidians Need better melee stats given their reputation.

**Urnamma** · 11-12-2004, 17:07

Also we need to make sure that Numidian cavalry can beat Equites, as they pretty much always did in every Punic war encounter! The Numidians Need better melee stats given their reputation.

And swords. Definitely need swords. They didn't carry freakin knives into battle. Who the hell fights with a knife on horseback anyway?

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 11-12-2004, 17:22

Originally Posted by The_Emperor

Also we need to make sure that Numidian cavalry can beat Equites, as they pretty much always did in every Punic war encounter! The Numidians Need better melee stats given their reputation.

Working on it. It will be modded for the Alpha 0.3 release.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 11-12-2004, 17:24

BTW, MASSIVE and massively interesting post, sharrukin!!! Great work guys!!!

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 11-12-2004, 17:21

Originally Posted by eadingas

And reduced in numbers, if it's possible. I don't know what the minimum size of a cavalry unit could be for it to still matter on the field (ie. to it not getting simply smashed by numbers) but it needs comparative reduction...

I'm working on something. You'll find it out soon...

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 11-12-2004, 17:19

Originally Posted by The_Emperor

Thats interesting, at the moment Greek cavalry is the worst in the game (no heavy cav other than General's Guards, and Equites beat vanilla Greek cav and Militia Cav).

Looks like the Pre-Marian Cav needs to be Nerfed.

In Alpha 0.2, Roman Cav is worse of what it was in vanilla RTW. I've moded the stats.

I'm going to nerf it even more in Alpha 0.3. I will also take care of most other units if I get good info from all the experts (the historians) in the EB group.

**khelvan** · 11-13-2004, 07:33

Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

In Alpha 0.2, Roman Cav is worse of what it was in vanilla RTW. I've moded the stats.

I'm going to nerf it even more in Alpha 0.3. I will also take care of most other units if I get good info from all the experts (the historians) in the EB group.

I would be careful nerfing it further. It is very bad at the moment. Making it more expensive, yes, to keep the numbers down...but it wasn't almost useless cavalry; it was limited in role and number, and worse than its contemporaries, but it wasn't worthless on the field. It secured the flanks and ran down fleeing enemies as its primary role, but I never read that they were horrible in combat.