I miss civil war/reborn factions

[DojoRat]

I never thought I'd say it but it's true. I've finished two long campaigns but I usually get a faction about 3/4's of the way there and call it quits. It just gets too tedious to take the last 16 provinces or so once all of Rome is yours. I think it would be more enjoyable to tone down the squalor driven peasant revolts and replace them with ambitious governors, or ethnic driven rebellions and the like.

In a recent German campaign it would have been a challenge to have Britain rebel, for instance, after I had moved my capital to Milan and was driving into Greece. It would be historically accurate because most "barbarian" leadership was personal and with the great leader or his armies far away why wouldn't an ambitious nephew want to be his own boss?

It would also be good to have your Roman faction face a lot of uncertainty as it went for it all during the civil war. Family members are way too loyal, and many of the non heirs in the backwater should be tempted to switch side or set up their own shop.

Just a thought.

[lancelot]

yep I agree

IMHO they have removed FAR too many cool features from MTW and replaced them with a fancy graphics engine. Which I think, doesnt make the game.

Bring back GA mode, re-emergenence, the north of england!, norselands, titles that give bonuses and buildings that give title bonuses..

[qmark]

Good idea that. Having Governors decide to stop paying taxes and build his own little kingdom/Empire is not only historically accurate but should provide an extra challenge. The traits could point to a character who's likely to rebel.

[Bob the Insane]

RTW does not appear to have a loyalty stat... Some VnVs mention loyalty but only as a modifier to the bribe cost of the character...

Without a loyaly stat it is hard to see how to could define a family member as being rebelious... You do have the possiblility for individual settlements revolting and declaring independance (joining the Slaves faction) or joining their old faction... There appears to be a lot less invested into the Faction Leader and more into the faction family itself... All family members and considered to be automatically loyal to the family (VnVs might effect their bribe cost though)... Settlements do not seem to really care what faction/family is in charge and are only bothered by taxes, living conditions, the quality of the local governor and cultural differences with the ruling faction...

It appears the concept of loyalty is not in the game and it is more on the individuals happiness, keep the plebs happy and they don't care who is in the palace (this is made easier by the guy in the palace being popular of course..)...

[Sin Qua Non]

I don't quite miss the constant rebirth of factions like MTW, but I definitely miss the civil wars. I would like it if rebels left alone for too long organized and made their own nation, like in Europa Universalis 2. They could just use everything from the culture most synonymous to them (units, buildings, names, etc).

Loyalty in an expansion pack? Seems too big a re-write for a patch.

[Bob the Insane]

I reckon there would be a lot of mileage in the rebels (Slaves) being more numerous and more agressive... Especially if they outnumber the garrison in the local province, they should siege and assault the local settlement... Now if you made it way more expensive to bribe generals then a rebel army lead by a general would be a nasty thing indeed...


Link their appearance to the net Public Order level and they would be quite common in the fringes of you empire... Oh the possibilities...

[Colovion]

yep I agree

IMHO they have removed FAR too many cool features from MTW and replaced them with a fancy graphics engine. Which I think, doesnt make the game.

Bring back GA mode, re-emergenence, the north of england!, norselands, titles that give bonuses and buildings that give title bonuses..

I want MTW 2

[WiredOnCoffee]

I want MTW 2

Agree'd

[Bob the Insane]

the north of england!

LOL... You won't be talking about Scotland would you???

[lancelot]

LOL... You won't be talking about Scotland would you???

LOL, yea I should have said north of the British Isles. But I suppose there wasnt technically a scotland back then

[GFX707]

LOL, yea I should have said north of the British Isles. But I suppose there wasnt technically a scotland back then

Do you perchance have an american passport? lol! It's usually only yanks that do the Britain=England thing....and as a Scot I was infuriated to read that!

You should be ashamed of yourself young man!

[lancelot]

Do you perchance have an american passport? lol! It's usually only yanks that do the Britain=England thing....and as a Scot I was infuriated to read that!

You should be ashamed of yourself young man!

I do apologize my northern brethren! but its still technically not scotland-yet. I suppose Britannia is the correct description...probably...??

[teutonicwarrior]

Do you perchance have an american passport? lol! It's usually only yanks that do the Britain=England thing....and as a Scot I was infuriated to read that!

You should be ashamed of yourself young man!

sort of stinks you cannot destroy the pictish caterthuns as the romans eh!

I do apologize my northern brethren! but its still technically not scotland-yet. I suppose Britannia is the correct description...probably...??

it's still not scotland? so my mother is really a britanniaian?

[Akka]

yep I agree

IMHO they have removed FAR too many cool features from MTW and replaced them with a fancy graphics engine. Which I think, doesnt make the game.

Bring back GA mode, re-emergenence, the north of england!, norselands, titles that give bonuses and buildings that give title bonuses..

I wouldn't downplay the addition of the new incredible engine to the game, but I agree that many features of MTW (each general being a character and able to be a governor, loyalty and dread stats, a reduced number of V'n'V, normal-sized rebellions, faction leader's stats affecting the whole faction, etc.) were much better done than in RTW.

[-Abbey.keeper-]

I think it would be more enjoyable to tone down the squalor driven peasant revolts and replace them with ambitious governors, or ethnic driven rebellions and the like.

Hear Hear!

[MajorFreak]

I think it would be more enjoyable to tone down the squalor driven peasant revolts and replace them with ambitious governors, or ethnic driven rebellions and the like.

oh nooooooooooooo! you mean when it says "faction destroyed" there's no later revival? That's a real shame, since it's fun to fight all the factions at least once and having the AI kill off permanently a faction that might have added spice to your battles seems a mite peculiar.

are you sure they removed such an enjoyable part of the game?

[sharrukin]

I hated faction re-emergance in MTW. The way it was done with jack-in-the-box instant mega armies was ridiculous. I would like revolts, non-family generals and governors as well as disloyal underlings. As someone pointed out earlier major revolts should progress and get larger and more dangerous the longer it is ignored. NO FACTION RE-EMERGENCE!

[WiredOnCoffee]

I hated faction re-emergance in MTW. The way it was done with jack-in-the-box instant mega armies was ridiculous. I would like revolts, non-family generals and governors as well as disloyal underlings. As someone pointed out earlier major revolts should progress and get larger and more dangerous the longer it is ignored. NO FACTION RE-EMERGENCE!

I agree about the Instant Mega-Armies, especially The Pope. But it did add more to the game in that way. You had to watch you inner Kingdom as well as the Borders. And what about some other Factions later on in the game, like the Mongols in 1230 AD... talk about instant Mega-Army. I have only finished a Julii Campaign so far and I did it before the year 100BC so Im not sure what the cut off year is, but what about some of the Historically True Rebellions such as Sparticus or The Goths? (Yes I have mentioned this in a few other posts but I like the idea myself) The Sparticus Rebellion was a Gladiator Army.... Slaves yes but trained killers, and the Goths had their part in the Fall of Rome Historically. I think the Goth's and even The Huns would add a whole new Danger to the game.

I know that these Factions Historical weren't too relevant until the 2nd and 3rd Centuries and that would be alot of turns to get to so how about a different Starting point like in MTW (Early/High/Late).

[Mikeus Caesar]

They might do that in an expansion pack. And as for MTW 2, that would rock!!!

[Zelipus]

Rome:Total War. Fall of rome expansion pack