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    Default Re: Did Hollywood get Alexander right?

    Quote Originally Posted by hellenes
    Jokes aside Im worried more about the people who will see the movie and think:
    "well the greatest general of all time was a fag haha those greeks are sissies admiring him"
    The people who shall think this are not very different from the ones claiming Alexander was really a "mucho" modern greek guy, and refuse to acknowledge the historical background and context of the period he lived in. Hoping to find direct reference to sexual relationship between two men in ancient historical texts (btw this isn't the aim of the writers) most of the time is like closing your eyes before the undeniable fact (beaten to death this one) that morality and sexual customs were very different than today. The "symposium" is also a subject analysed to the extreme and the close relations between ,usually, young men and their mentors are in addition depicted in ancient greek vases extensively. No use in denying that the whole military system of Sparta and Thebes was based on the "friendship/love" between men.
    A viable question (well, I haven't researched this side of the topic) could be whether the Macedonians followed these social practices of the soutnern territories and to what extent. I think that Arrian's references to Alexander's participation in many "symposiums" shows not a "fanatical" bisexual attitude but rather the entirely different lifestyle of those times. I can provide the passages that more than hint Alexander's "bonding" with Hephaistion. something that surpasses the narrow term "friendship" as we know it today. As i consider Arrion the most accurate writer on the subject (on a prototype basis), 1.12.1, 2.12.6, and most chapters from book 7 (after chapter13) showcase their relation, in a most serious manner that avoids overreactions to it.Better not forget that the writer is a historian who doesn't fear to criticise Alexander, but in this case he avoids referring to the relationship (something probably quite normal at the time) and directs his comment at the somehow extreme character of the macedonian ruler, especially considering Alexander's actions after the death of his friend. Very interesting is the Achilles-Patroclos reference, twice, and Alexander-Hephaistion parallel. Taken that Al. admired Achilles and tried to mimic him at times, a contemporary psychologist could draw many conclusions regarding his manners and character
    Therefore, refusing the existence of this intimate relationship is based on other criteria, very far from historical accuracy and the need to preserve it. 25 greek lawyers is a very low number for those that know the harsh reality surrounding them in Greece poor fellows, they got nothing more serious to do and so they initialise "the great campaign" to save us from the wicked Hollywood which tries to undermine the greek race and all its achievements in order to culturally conquer them later on Ofcourse they got nothing against homosexuals and bisexuals ("didides" ), god forbid.
    Last edited by L'Impresario; 11-20-2004 at 21:08. Reason: damn paranthesis heh
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