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    Thanks for this CW. Keep up the good work!
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    The cossacks, post to be updated.
    Cossacks-

    Ukranian sich Cossack-
    The Ukranian cossack, Unlike the other Cossacks, dosnt carry a spear but a sword and a bow. Good for tactical attacks on enemy flanks.

    Don Cossack-
    Not as powerful as the Ukranian Sich Cossack, the Don Cossack uses a spear and is not as heavily armored. Good for melee cavalry attacks.

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    (to be updated)
    Hussars-

    Neapolitan Hussars:
    In Naples, there is a national heritage for Feudal Knights, but now with the evolution of guns light cavalry are equally important. And that is when the Hussar comes in...

    Hussars:
    The Hussar is a rather weak unit, but if used properly and with skill, it can be very effective. The Hussars carry a sword and are not heavily armoured.
    very useful for ambushes or assisting heavy cavalry attacks.

    Winged Hussar:
    The Winged Hussar, was usually found with the Polish armies, but at times, you could find them in other European armies. The Winged Hussar, is equiped with a pike and wears proper armor. Excellent heavy cavalry unit. Very fast, well armored and very effective against melee infantry and cavalry, the Winged Hussars, where highly respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Winter
    The cossacks, post to be updated.
    Cossacks-

    Ukranian sich Cossack-
    The Ukranian cossack, Unlike the other Cossacks, dosnt carry a spear but a sword and a bow. Good for tactical attacks on enemy flanks.

    Don Cossack-
    Not as powerful as the Ukranian Sich Cossack, the Don Cossack uses a spear and is not as heavily armored. Good for melee cavalry attacks.
    Two points:
    1. Cossacks Cavalry didn't carry missile wepon in battle, usually (both pike and sabre were often used though). Instead, Cossack Infantry is famous for it (Cossack Musketeers together w/ Janissaries were the best in the region).

    2. No sizeable body of Cossacks existed to form Don Cossacks before mid 18th century. Also, they were same Sitch Cossacks who migrated there.

    Also, word Cossack has many versions of origin, free man just seem to romantized to be true -- most likely it's Turkik for rogue/brihand.

    PS Before you ask: no, I didn't base my statement on the game "Cossack", the game just seems to be quite accurate ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by andriyko
    Two points:
    1. Cossacks Cavalry didn't carry missile wepon in battle, usually (both pike and sabre were often used though). Instead, Cossack Infantry is famous for it (Cossack Musketeers together w/ Janissaries were the best in the region).

    2. No sizeable body of Cossacks existed to form Don Cossacks before mid 18th century. Also, they were same Sitch Cossacks who migrated there.

    Also, word Cossack has many versions of origin, free man just seem to romantized to be true -- most likely it's Turkik for rogue/brihand.

    PS Before you ask: no, I didn't base my statement on the game "Cossack", the game just seems to be quite accurate ;)
    Hey Andriyko,
    thank you for the corrections. Apparently, this small book I have on the cossacks, has a sketch of a cossack with a sword and a bow, but ill take your word for it.

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    I am from a rival mod, but I am posting this to correct one serious mistake in the list.

    "Hussars:
    The Hussar is a rather weak unit, but if used properly and with skill, it can be very effective. The Hussars carry a sword and are not heavily armoured.
    very useful for ambushes or assisting heavy cavalry attacks.

    Winged Hussar:
    The Winged Hussar, was usually found with the Polish armies, but at times, you could find them in other European armies. The Winged Hussar, is equiped with a pike and wears proper armor. Excellent heavy cavalry unit. Very fast, well armored and very effective against melee infantry and cavalry, the Winged Hussars, where highly respected."


    First thing at that time light Hussars were using a lance and a curved shield with a sabre as the secondary weapon.
    There were several types of this units

    Szekely Hussars ( armed with bow as well), Hungarian Hussars ( armoured), Croatian Hussars ( lighter than the Hungarian), Rac ( Serbian Hussars) and Ussaria ( Polish light hussars).

    All came from the Rac, but were different in some way.
    Rac should be mercenaries.




    Later ( around 1570)

    Polish Winged Hussars ( Husaria) appeared - a very different cavalry unit, which dominated the battlefields of middle/eastern Europe for more than a century and were invincible for about 50 years ( to 1626).
    They were fast, armoured ( not really heavily) and very disciplined. Used horses with incredible stamina, 5 m long HOLLOW lances, 1,5 long sword, a special 'Husaria' sabres, wheellock pistols and sometimes an axe or a warhammer.
    Wings - 1 earlier, 2 after around 1630 which could scare anemy horses and infantrymen and protected from Tatar lassooes.
    Were using several types of formation to counter all kind of enemies - from iron-hard Swedish infantry to agile Tatars and numerous Russian or Ottoman troops.

    When winning usually were using about 100 dead, killing 30-100 times more. When losing usually they did most of damage in enemy ranks, and every defeat they suffered was something worth describing in details.


    Because they were so successfull some armies tried to copy them, which proved to be impossible.
    You simply cannot give wings somebody and expect him to be as good as this unique unit.
    The only unit worth mentioning is Russian 'Gusary ' - there were about 1000 of them ( maximum), but were never so good as Husaria ( which scared even Gustav Adolph).

    Anyway here are the decsriptions of both units from P&M TW for MTW, use them if you like.

    One thing to note Russian Gusary didn't use the 1,5 m long lance-like sword, which was one of most important weapons of the Hussars.


    "Gusary are the russian response to the Polish Winged Hussars. Although they look similar and are armed with similar weapons they are still a copy, and a copy is rarely as good as the original"

    "Polish Winged Hussars are the very elite of the Polish army. Armed with 5 m. long hollowed lances, heavy sabres, pistols, 1.5 long swords and mounted on the best steeds in the country these professional soldiers are the scourge of all enemies of the Commonwealth. Thanks to their lances and special tactics even enemy pikemen are in trouble."


    If you need more info just ask.

    My regards Cegorach/Hetman

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    Nice to know.
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    Spanish Musketmen
    Armed with a heavy spanish musket and has a rapier for self defence. As these are professenial soldiers they are armoured in proper spanish war gear (helm, breastplate ect.). As muskets could only be used by strong men I think they should be a 2 turn unit.

    Spanish Pikemen
    Armed with a long (5.2m) pike and a sword for close combat. Well protected by armour. Should not be too proficant with his sword.

    Spanish Harquebusier
    Armed with a arquebuse and a broad sword. Has only spanish style helm.

    'Gentlemen Adventurer' (any other name ideas?)
    Mercenary. Recruitable in Spanish-French-Italian Mederterain (sp?) coasts. Armed with hand and half sword. Armoured in a similar fashion to gothic foot knight (but more up to date. I'll try post a pic soon). Expensive to recruit and mantain.

    I'll try and post more later.

    Do you want ideas for ships yet?

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