more rebellion

[bretwalda]

I want to keep my eastern border in a state of rebellion. But after a few uprisings the loyalty seems to go up even though nothing is built and there is no garrison. I sent inquisitors but they don't seem help rebellions, either. What can I do to lower loyalty? What agents should I send or what should I do? Thanks for the ideas!

[Marquis de Said]

I have never figured out a solution to your... erm... "problem". Provinces' loyalty will eventually go up even if you don't build anything and don't keep a garrison there. They just become loyal to you. The only exceptions are provinces that are more disloyal than usual, i.e. they have a higher disloyalt factor that normal provinces. These have been mentioned in another thread, but examples of these are Portugal, Livonia, Lithuania, Prussia and Scotland.

One way of lowering loyalty is to send you king as far away as possible from these provinces, and put him in a land-locked province so he is several turns away from the provinces you want to rebel.

Marquis

[bretwalda]

Well, now my king is pretty far away and those are all land locked provinces, but they can be reached in two steps. I don't want to send my king further inland for the sake of the rest of the provinces that I don't want to rebel... :) Anyway I try those inquisitors and later grand-inq-s to do some dissent.

A few years before 1230 I will send a couple of spies and assassins to those provinces so that the mongols can experience the joys of rebellions - hopefully ;)

Also: how does killing all / the ringleaders or releasing all after the rebellion affects the loyalty of the provinces? Other than giving traits to my generals?

[Procrustes]

One way to lower loyalty is to give them really bad governors. Gather up the guys with any unhappiness vices, low piety, little dread and make them governors. Governors with "hidden" vices are good - they ussually cause loyalty to plummet if the vice is revealed. Use very low valor spies and assassins for failed assassinations and loyalty trials of your governors, each time they fail their loyalty will go down and they may start picking up vices like "paranoid", etc.

If you keep killing all the rebels after the battle, you start piling on unhappiness vices. At first you just get a little dread, then the dread is accompanied by unhappiness.

EDIT: The other thing to do is to keep killing prisoners while you are still on the battlefield. Again, the first time gives your general a little dread, but the more you do it the more unhappiness he starts piling on.

[henoch]

the rebellion- armies are similar to other factions reappearing. if you keep killing them, they will become more and more, with better generals and such..

also, people get mad if you burn buildings. -especially religious once. build one, burn it, built one, raze it, ...this helps.

the first time you get the province from rebels, keep the taxes -very high- right away. this will make the following much easier.

[Aurelius]

Burning churches is a unique approach. I've never heard of such a thing.

Interesting, Henoch. Thanks...