Carthage and gauls

**USMCNJ** · 11-24-2004, 05:57

what is wrong with Gauls and the julii when you play as carthage.

I'm currently on my 4th carthagenian campaign. Every time it's the same story, the scipio and the gauls make an alliance in the first 2 turns. Then the Julii, scipio and the gauls attack me for the rest of the game. The gauls and the romans never have any issues.

I have waited till 212 BC before destroying either the romans or the gauls (just to keep the game fun) and the gauls and the romans share an alliance till the end.

This is strange for a few reason. 1) the julii and the gauls are suppose to hate each other. 2) The gauls have an alliance with the scipio not julii. 3) the gauls always attack me first in Spain, (i've tried having a mass army and a weak army in Cordova, and both times they attack. So, it's not because i'm an easy target, or a threat)

side note 1) how do you make peace with the romans? is it even possible?
you can never buy peace with all 4 factions, so the next turn your back to being at war.

side note 2) what happened to the search feature in this forum?

**Alphidius** · 11-24-2004, 06:29

USMCNJ: Yes, the Julii & Gauls should be in fact warring with each other. However, as far as I know, they don't need to be allied to attack you.

I'm playing as the Julii & it's one of the first few missions that instructs to take a Gaelic town. So unless they fulfill that mission, they may not be at war with the Gauls. But I do know that all of Rome will declare war with the Carthagians, that is almost a guarantee. What difficulty are you playing btw?

**USMCNJ** · 11-24-2004, 06:36

Vh/vh

oh, i know that all the roman factions will declare war on me. but how do you make peace with them. the way i see it you have to make peace with 4 of them in the same turn. which is imposible.
if you make peace with all but one the next turn you're back at war, even if the no one attacks each other.
ex. I spent 100,000+ buying peace with the julii, scipio and the senate. the brutii would not accept peace (even though we never had a battle) the next turn Julli, scipio and the senate were at war with me again.

**Alphidius** · 11-24-2004, 06:44

From what I do know having a cease fire with all of Rome is hard enough to achieve using the Carthagians, I can't imagine how how it is trying to be at peace with them.

Anyway I don't think negotiating peace with them is a good thing even if all four factions agree to such a treaty. If one faction breaks it, you'd still be back at where you were before.

Just my two cents

**Red Harvest** · 11-24-2004, 07:01

The solution with the Gauls is to do as I did: add a line in the empty diplomatic section of the campaign initialization file so that Gaul is at war with the Julii. (Check the "Sons of Mars" campaign folder to get the syntax.) I actually did this to make the game a bit more challenging while playing as a Roman faction.

One thing about Roman history of the time, if you ever went to war with them they would be gunning for you forever. They might give you peace for a time, but they would invent ways to re-open hostilities if they saw you had any power whatsoever. So yes, it is hard to get peace, but with Rome it is actually a realistic representation. Peace was granted on Roman terms, making you subordinate to them. They would not enter into peace negotiations with nations who had subdued their armies.

**USMCNJ** · 11-24-2004, 07:13

Red Harvest you are correct.
There i was trying to play a historic campaign (not attack Italy till 212, not attacking anything in Spain till 229) and i forgot that the romans were the most stubborn people ever and would not accept peace with me until i had no army or navy what so ever.
thanks Red Harvest

**Watchman** · 11-24-2004, 10:30

I'd say determined, but anyway. It probably had something to do with their ample supplies of territorial ambition and the fact they right well knew they could always raise new armies, probably rather better than the other guy. Heck, that little trick of integrating conquered folks into their system as citizens and thereby increasing their recruitable manpower pool was probably what actually allowed them to get the ball rolling to begin with - they could weather military disasters (say, Hannibal's little sightseeing trip) that would probably have crippled most of their contemporaries.