Fighting for Senate and Senate Only!

**shooter0220** · 11-26-2004, 17:01

Last two campaigns, I played as Roman factions: Scipii, Brutii.
I decided to follow all senate missions and not conquer any cities on my own. In both cases, I was very successful in both expanding and limiting other Roman factions.

As Scipii:
As usual I was directed to conquer Sicily, Carthage and the city below it. After, I expanded to Greek/Macedonian cities all under senate's order. This forced Brutii to expand north and not east. From there, I kept expanding east and ended up conquering ALL provinces on the right side of it. I only missed maybe two senate missions in the process, but never got higher than 8 senate rating. After all, I had 50+ provinces and the rest is shared by Julii and Brutii. The world is at peace now and no one is fighting and it's around 90BC.

The strange this is, Julii had had 1 rating for more than 100 years and never been outlawed. I wanted to fight for senate acting as the protector of the republic. So the game is idle and nothing happens.

AS Brutii:
I'm still playing this campaign, but so far I have conquered Greek,Macedon,Carthage and Egypt. I also have two cities full of generals in Italy. In this one, I never failed senate mission and only had to take two provinces on my own both of which were rebels. (senate never ask to take Crete and Hali-something) I reached as high as 9 rating, but when my 10star 10influence leader died, it dropped to 7. As for other factions, Scipii are stuck and can't expand east, and Julii is still fighting Gauls and will soon fight Carth in Spain. (Carth took all of Spain and lost all others) My good allied Thrace is doing very well having 10 provinces to my north.

Unlike many of you think, you CAN be very successful with senate ordering you around. All you have to do is have armies ready to go to any surrounding areas within 5 turns and have navy ready to reach anywhere in 2~3 turns. It takes a lot longer in game years, but not in actual playing time since the number of battles stay pretty much the same.

The reason I tried this is because I wanted to fight along side the senate against other outlawed family. Has anyone had this happen?

Couple of tips dealing with senate:
- Your faction leader affects senate rating.

- Don't give money to senate's enemies hoping it will impede other families' progress. Your rating will be halved almost.

- Follow senate policies: attack senate's enemies. They will show appreciation by giving you money/units

- Higher the rating, higher the rewards. Always 5000 or 10000 with 8~9 rating.

I never had 10 rating with senate, but I'll keep trying with my Brutii campaign. I'd love to get my hand on First Legendaire Cohort. What's the deal with the eagle?

**shooter0220** · 11-26-2004, 17:15

One more thing I want to add:
It seems that Brutii gets an advantage over other families for everything senate related.

In the intro, it mentions Brutii being politically successful and it shows in senate ratings and positions.

**Oaty** · 11-26-2004, 20:30

Originally Posted by shooter0220

One more thing I want to add:
It seems that Brutii gets an advantage over other families for everything senate related.

In the intro, it mentions Brutii being politically successful and it shows in senate ratings and positions.

No the Julii prostitute themselves into office

**Kraxis** · 11-26-2004, 20:58

Well, perhaps the Julii get offices and the Brutii the ratings...

**Ldvs** · 11-26-2004, 21:08

I've never managed to get higher than 7 on the Senate's scale, because once I owned over 30 regions they started to become aggressive, they thought they were threatened by my popularity with the plebians. So far, when a Roman faction got outlawed, the two others followed in the next turn...

**Tricky Lady** · 11-26-2004, 23:38

Originally Posted by Ldvs

So far, when a Roman faction got outlawed, the two others followed in the next turn...

Okay, here comes a noob's question:

If you are outlawed, and the two other Roman factions are outlawed in the next turns (does this always happen?), does that mean that from that moment on it is everyone on his own?
So for instance, you play Brutii, get outlawed, Julii and Scipii next turn too: will the Julii attack the Scipii too (and vice versa). Or will the Senate attack Scipii armies? Or do they just stay idle and wait until you conquer them?
It's just that I've never been so far in a long campaign yet

**LordKhaine** · 11-27-2004, 00:18

I got a maxed out senate rating before, but that didn't seem to do anything. Seems the best way to get on their good side is to simply expand at a slower rate. If you advance too quickly the people love you and this makes the senate hate you. I'll probably try and win over the senate in my current Scipii game. I'll be interested to see if it's possible.

**shooter0220** · 11-27-2004, 05:31

Has anyone fought against other family with senate on your side?
ie. only one AI family is outlawed and the rest of the alliance remains

**Ldvs** · 11-27-2004, 16:24

Originally Posted by Tricky Lady

Okay, here comes a noob's question:

If you are outlawed, and the two other Roman factions are outlawed in the next turns (does this always happen?), does that mean that from that moment on it is everyone on his own?
So for instance, you play Brutii, get outlawed, Julii and Scipii next turn too: will the Julii attack the Scipii too (and vice versa). Or will the Senate attack Scipii armies? Or do they just stay idle and wait until you conquer them?
It's just that I've never been so far in a long campaign yet

At least it happened three times in a row to me. What makes me laugh is that you get a scroll where it reads that the Senate asks you to defend the Republic on their behalf (attack the two other Roman factions) although they've already banned you.

When all the Roman factions are outlawed, they wage war against one another. So yes you stand alone and surrounded by foes

The main problem is that your trade income collapses, so you must make sure you have a good cash flow if you don't want to go bankrupt. In my campaign, they were always aggressive. I only once managed to get a cease-fire and then an alliance with the Scipii (the Brutii are stubborn

) Better strike first !

Originally Posted by shooter0220

Has anyone fought against other family with senate on your side?
ie. only one AI family is outlawed and the rest of the alliance remains

No, the Senate banned me each time.

**Kraxis** · 11-27-2004, 23:44

Well did you get banned first and then the others?
For it would be quite fun to defend the Senate, and then when the other two are dead, kill them off... Hehehe

**Ldvs** · 11-28-2004, 10:23

Originally Posted by Kraxis

Well did you get banned first and then the others?
For it would be quite fun to defend the Senate, and then when the other two are dead, kill them off... Hehehe

In my first Julii campaign, the Scipii got outlawed first. The Senate asked me to attack them and I agreed, but in the next turn, I was also banned along with the Brutii.
In my former Scipii campaign, I got outlawed within 15 years (255BC)... I had only conquered 3 provinces and wasn't even popular with the plebians. The two other families shared my fate though

(in the same turn).
In my Brutii campaign, the Julii and Scipii got outlawed and I followed closely

However, I'm dismayed by the fact that when the Senate asks you to attack the two other law-breaker families, the countdown starts with a negative value (generally -4 years for me). Thus it makes it impossible to fulfill your mission and you get banned whatever you do... Maybe it only happens to me.

**Kraxis** · 11-28-2004, 15:28

That sounds like a bug... It is not in the best interest for the Senate to outlaw everyone.

**Ldvs** · 11-28-2004, 18:50

It may be a bug, but anyway it doesn't bother me much since you must get outlawed sooner or later and fight the two other families. Yet it should be fixed in case that's actually a bug