What is the single most important thing to be patched?

**Red Harvest** · 12-05-2004, 18:46

Originally Posted by pyrocryo

5. Bring back the at-will/hold formation button. Guard seem useless.

I agree with that. First thing I do with every phalanx unit is to disable guard mode, wish that they didn't default to it. I have yet to find a use for guard mode. It is just an unwanted switch. RTW lost some depth here compared to MTW.

**DisruptorX** · 12-05-2004, 20:59

Remove the Egyptians or make them look like they should, there is no excuse for the way they look. "Silly" would be an understatement.

No turning on a dime for chariots.

No Druids. This is NOT Warcraft 3.

Make every unit obey orders when you issue them the first time.

No dancing Phalanxes

SLOW DOWN THE GAME TO MTW LEVEL.

AI. No more zerg rush. Make them behave like actual generals.

No Suicide generals.

Fix Diplomacy.

Remove ALL fantasy units. Especially the Egyptian ones.

Fix the way that units move so that pursuing doesn't involve horses running
in front of the men they are supposedly "following".

Fix the way units get stuck in terrain and can't enter town squares. I have lost battles because my men refused to enter the town square. No excuse.

Allow spear walls with, you know, SPEARS.

And most importantly:
REMOVE the starcraft UI bar at the bottom of the screen. It takes up a third of the damn screen.

**ToranagaSama** · 12-06-2004, 21:56

Originally Posted by Red Harvest

I agree with that. First thing I do with every phalanx unit is to disable guard mode, wish that they didn't default to it. I have yet to find a use for guard mode. It is just an unwanted switch. RTW lost some depth here compared to MTW.

The Guard command works(, though I haven't a clue as to what's being "guarded"!!). It will keep your units from chasing enemey routers; and, if I recall correctly (haven't played in weeks!), units will hold position. Though the "hold position" part dosen't appear to be as effective as RTW's *Hold Position*. I tend to use it on the 3/4 units in the middle of my line.

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To the poster that wanted blood on the battlefield, jfyi, there's a mod that attempts just that. Though, why you feel the need for it I can't fathom.

I'd prefer if the dead sprites(??) had more visual depth. They don't look like bodies lying about a field, but more like flat cardboard cutouts strewn about. Very unrealistic. STW's sprites were more effective in evoking post-battle carnage. I can recall in STW viewing the afterbattle with awe, not the same with RTW.

Yes, I do understand the need to manage system resources. To that I say gimme back my sprites!

**Drewman** · 12-07-2004, 00:20

Originally Posted by ToranagaSama

The Guard command works(, though I haven't a clue as to what's being "guarded"!!). It will keep your units from chasing enemey routers; and, if I recall correctly (haven't played in weeks!), units will hold position. Though the "hold position" part dosen't appear to be as effective as RTW's *Hold Position*. I tend to use it on the 3/4 units in the middle of my line.

The problem that many people have found is that on guard mode the phalanx unit does not properly "engage" the enemy unit that hits it. There often is no animation of spear/pike thrusts and the enemy unit takes no casulaties.

**ToranagaSama** · 12-07-2004, 16:21

Originally Posted by Drewman

The problem that many people have found is that on guard mode the phalanx unit does not properly "engage" the enemy unit that hits it. There often is no animation of spear/pike thrusts and the enemy unit takes no casulaties.

Ah so!

Maybe one of these days I'll be motivated to push through the game and learn of, what!, even more issues. Something to look forward to....

**Spino** · 12-08-2004, 16:30

Originally Posted by Drewman

The problem that many people have found is that on guard mode the phalanx unit does not properly "engage" the enemy unit that hits it. There often is no animation of spear/pike thrusts and the enemy unit takes no casulaties.

I use Guard mode all the time for my phalanx units and my victories are still lopsided. I don't see what the problem is. I rarely tell a phalanx unit to actively engage the enemy by clicking on the enemy unit. I usually put them in phalanx mode and tell them to move to a spot beyond the enemy unit. Once enough of their spears come into contact with the enemy I hit Stop to keep them from 'morphing' and walking around the enemy unit. Since they're in Guard mode their formation stays nice and neat while they poke away.

**Red Harvest** · 12-09-2004, 04:35

Originally Posted by Spino

I use Guard mode all the time for my phalanx units and my victories are still lopsided. I don't see what the problem is. I rarely tell a phalanx unit to actively engage the enemy by clicking on the enemy unit. I usually put them in phalanx mode and tell them to move to a spot beyond the enemy unit.

That is the key. I did the same for quite awhile. The problem came when I routed a unit and tried to alter my attack by clicking on the next target (rather than ordering a "march through." The phalangites often just stood there doing nothing. Of course, if the AI charges you, this is not really a problem either.