Historical Battles

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Just getting this thread up and running. A few things to note, I am working just about independantly from the main modders, and as I have no other real modding skills I will not be delaying the release of this mod as I can be working on this without detracting from their time on the heart of the mod. I am willing to take suggestions or have people who have more .txt file editing experience come and help, the more the merrier. Lastly Silver Rusher has final say on just about everything as far as I know.

[Yggdrasill]

for these battles I have research already done and could start working on them right away if i the mod was finished:

1. The siege of Malta 1565, Turks Vs. the Hospitallers. I think the best way to do this would be to split it into two distinct battles (the final attack on the catle St. Angelo and the attack on the city itself).

2. Sisak 1593 - Croatians (Hungarians, Austrians) Vs. Ottomans. It's a not a very famous battle that happened in my country. However, it was quite important as it marked the end of turkish conquests. Also, it was 10000+ battle on both sides so it would fit perfectly in the RTW engine (some of the bigger 30000+ battles don't really work properly when scaled down).

3. The siege of Siget 1566- Croatians (Hungarians) Vs. the Ottomans. I would like to recreatre the famous final dash of the last of the besieged defenders, a few hundred of them, strait into the the waiting arms of 100,000 screaming Ottomans. Needless to say, they all died. Famous for the fact that during the protracted siege, Suleiman the Magnificient, died of a heart failure.

4. The battle of Nicopolis 1396 - Burgundian crusaders against the Turks. Just a few years prior to the beginning of the mod, it's no problem moddeling this battle as well. All of the units will be there.

5. Bosworth field 1485 - 15000 Yorks against 10000 Tudors, the death of Richard the III. ('We few, we lucky few, we band of brothers!!!')

6. Fornovo 1495 and Pavia 1525. The end and the beginning of the bloody Italian wars.

7. Agincourt 1415. No need to elaborate

A few others as well (Towton 1461, Marignano, some battles from the Burgundian wars, maybe even the battle of Mohacs although it's really to big).

As you can see, I favour smaller battles, as these look and feel much better when scaled down. also I've included a few of region specific, not so worldwide known events that are nevertheless of huge importance for the sides involved.

A few others I'd like to model but i have yet to do the research:

1. Tannenberg/Grunwald
2. Battle at the field of Krbava (the Bloody field)
3. Flodden field

[Tribolute]

Agincourt would be hard because they've found most of the french casualties were because as they were charging up the bottleneck battlefield, they fell face first in the mud, and due to the unusally sticky mud of the area, couldn't get up and drowned.

[Silver Rusher]

Also in agincourt the longbowmen used stakes, which I don't think will be possible in RTW.

An idea for agincourt is that the English have a general, two billmen units and two longbowmen units (all high valour) and the french have loads of crossbowmen and knight units. The map would have to be new, definately, as we would need the English to be on a hill, with forest on either side. There would have to be a lot of marsh to simulate the mud, and I think it should be raining (not sure if it actually was raining or had just finished raining in the actual battle).

[monkian]

Well it sounds alot better than the version that came with MTW

Would there be anyway to make the forrests on either side impassible to actually make a bottle neck ?

[Silver Rusher]

That may well be possible. Of course the french knights could never go through the forest, otherwise the battle would be unbalanced.

The battle of Fornuvo - Probably my favourite battle of the era. The Visconti Duke of Milan started a long feud with the King of Naples, during which they hated each other so much, that the Milanese actually called for help. They called to quite the wrong people, namely, the treacherous French, whose past actions had shown they could not be trusted. The Milanese offered the French a passageway through their lands, as well as support in form of supplies. The Florentines and other Italian states agreed.

Soon the Italians realised how foolish they had been. The French King Charles was ambitious, and had his own plans. Instead of just attacking naples, he planned to conquer all of Italy. The Italians realised and joined togethor, actually putting their differences aside to get rid of the French.

The set up an ambush near the town of Fornuvo, which had a forest on a hill on one side with a river running through the middle. They outnumbered the French, yet the French actually won the battle, as the Italians could not get their troops over the river in time (you must note that the river was the key strategic point in the battle).

Please tell me if any of this is wrong.

[Suleimen the Magnificent]

1. The siege of Malta 1565, Turks Vs. the Hospitallers. I think the best way to do this would be to split it into two distinct battles (the final attack on the catle St. Angelo and the attack on the city itself).

I like this idea. I think the best attack on the city to show would be when Don Pedro de Mezquita led his 200 men (100 horse, 100 Harquebusiers) into the rear of the ottoman camp, shouting "victory and relief!" right when they (the ottomans) would have taken the city, until those who had seen de Mezquita's attack spread panic among the army.

[Silver Rusher]

I don't think it should be split up. What I think should happen is if we take the one battle that is most glorious, funnest or whatever. I think that the siege on the last city would be the best option.

[Yggdrasill]

Correction not st. Angelo but St. Elmo.

Constantinpole, Mohach and some others are all fine, but really people they are too big. We should concentrate on smaller battles, also ones that are less famous. I for one more enjoyed the battle of Raphia than for exmple Trebia, or Carrhae (terrible).

Try and dig through you country's respective history and find some interesting battles.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Here is what my country has to offer; Gettysburg, Wilderness, Pearl Harbor, Fort Ticonderoga, Alamo. Don't think I have a good country for this. But I will research some of the famous ones and we can include as many as we feel like, no reason to exclude the famous ones, but we should look at the numerous obscure and sometimes more interesting battles.