The Romans stay... but how?

**Dead Moroz** · 12-06-2004, 23:47

Originally Posted by Steppe Merc

I disagree strongly. Rember, the Romans weren't like Alexander. They took a very very long time to conquer their terrotories. It took hundreds of years for them to reach their peak.

Yes, yes, that's why I told we need to make other factions stronger and more active. I don't think that Romans expanded slowly just because they were... very peaceful. They built their empire long time because they had to deal with serious opponents. And that we should simulate in game - not weakened Romans, but strong "barbarians".

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 12-07-2004, 01:09

Originally Posted by Dead Moroz

Yes, yes, that's why I told we need to make other factions stronger and more active. I don't think that Romans expanded slowly just because they were... very peaceful. They built their empire long time because they had to deal with serious opponents. And that we should simulate in game - not weakened Romans, but strong "barbarians".

Agreed that the problem are the weaker "barbarians", not the Romans.

**eadingas** · 12-07-2004, 09:20

Well, then, won't two Roman factions be stronger than three?

**Dead Moroz** · 12-07-2004, 09:35

Originally Posted by eadingas

Well, then, won't two Roman factions be stronger than three?

How? Isn't it just illogical?

**eadingas** · 12-07-2004, 09:47

You get the resources divided in two, not three. You get the world divided between two, not three. You get Italy divided between two, not three. Two factions have more possibilities of expansion than three. It will take longer to trigger civil war for two factions than three. Etc.

**Dead Moroz** · 12-07-2004, 10:09

Originally Posted by eadingas

You get the resources divided in two, not three. You get the world divided between two, not three. You get Italy divided between two, not three. Two factions have more possibilities of expansion than three. It will take longer to trigger civil war for two factions than three. Etc.

Disagree. Especially about civil war.

And this system of Roman factions is related more to political simulation than to conquests. There is only one faction enough to simulate Roman conquest. The only purpose of making 4 Roman factions instead of one is to simulate political struggle within Roman society. All Roman factions must have equal conditions in start to make this system less predictable and to allow it to go it's own way in every new game.

**eadingas** · 12-07-2004, 11:20

I think we were playing a different game... Three factions is less predictable system than two? But with three, you always get the same game: Bruttii go east, Scipii go south, Julii go north... always the same setup... With two, I've seen Scipii AI forget Carthage and go straight for Macedon, or Julii forget Gauls and go straight for Illiria, Pannonia and Thracia. How's that for unpredictability?
And as for historical reality, which was, IIRC, one of the points of this mod, show me what political struggle of the Republic era is simulated by dividing it in three instead of two?