Do we exist?

[vyan]

Are we as humans and this world really here? are we part of a complex computer world made by another species, each person is a complex peice of code learning through generations. Are we being watched as our A.I gets more intellegent? are our creators playing with us by laying certain scenarios upon us to see how we react, maybe our creators have a completely differn't world which if we ever found out about we would never be able to understand or comprohend.
No im not saying we are in the matrix, because in the matrix there was a real person at the end of the it....but maybe in this world we are merely just a program...or something like that.

The bible talks about our creator...being god......but maybe it means a different creator.....such that of another race.....maybe religion has been made up for us to make us think we were created from something.

im not mad, deppressed or suicidal but one could go mad thinking about what we are or why we are here......

anyone else got a theroy? no dumb ones please.............

[discovery1]

It is a meaningless question for one can not find evidence that our world is an illusion.

[LittleGrizzly]

this and what is the point in it all constantly have my attention, ill get back to you when i have the answer...

[Byzantine Prince]

I had a fase in my life when I thought like you did, but then I was enlightened and now I have a more sophisticated answer. It's not for sure but then again what is?

Here's my theory. Man and the rest of life are complicated biological machines. Now we all born from someone and it all goes back mllions or maybe billions of generation back the first cell(or whatever it was). Ok, now, how was this cell created? It must have been the most powerful structure in the universe to hold in such potential as we (humans) have today. Hmphhh... What could it have been. Perhaps it was the so called "God particle" we are so researching today in Britain. Or it might be some other entity.

But consider this: If after death there is nothing and you simply stop existing, then what about before you were born? What were you then? Well there are two choices. You were either nothing, or you were someone. Ok, so if you were nothing then and you'll become nothing then there is no doubt you are nothing and you're existence is utterly meaningless. Or you were someone so you cannot die. Even after death. The real you cannot die if you really exist. So you see wither way you shouldn't worry.

I know it sounds a little confusing. Ask to clarify if you want. I really enjoy talking about things like this with intelligent people. Probably all theories i have come from conversations i have had. It's really kewl.

[makkyo]

I believe what the Bible says, so I'll stick to it. Either way, I don't loose sleep on it. There is little, if any, practical knowledge in this, and I'm just as happy not really knowing.

[Byzantine Prince]

Well my friend all knowledge comes from a blend of natural and social phenomena and logic. So basically you those are the onyl tools available to us. You shouldn't just "go" with the Bible. The Bible is fictitious but also very metaphorical. You should look for the hidden meanings and not take it literally.

[vyan]

I had a fase in my life when I thought like you did, but then I was enlightened and now I have a more sophisticated answer. It's not for sure but then again what is?

Here's my theory. Man and the rest of life are complicated biological machines. Now we all born from someone and it all goes back mllions or maybe billions of generation back the first cell(or whatever it was). Ok, now, how was this cell created? It must have been the most powerful structure in the universe to hold in such potential as we (humans) have today. Hmphhh... What could it have been. Perhaps it was the so called "God particle" we are so researching today in Britain. Or it might be some other entity.

But consider this: If after death there is nothing and you simply stop existing, then what about before you were born? What were you then? Well there are two choices. You were either nothing, or you were someone. Ok, so if you were nothing then and you'll become nothing then there is no doubt you are nothing and you're existence is utterly meaningless. Or you were someone so you cannot die. Even after death. The real you cannot die if you really exist. So you see wither way you shouldn't worry.

I know it sounds a little confusing. Ask to clarify if you want. I really enjoy talking about things like this with intelligent people. Probably all theories i have come from conversations i have had. It's really kewl.

But even if you were nothing but are something now you can still not be what you think you are and therfore be nothing. If you are not who or what you think you are then what are you and why are you. We have no idea on what we are.

"The dimensions of things are created by the limitation of our vision as interpreted by our brain. All around us is nothing but molecules; molecules in the air, molecules in our body, molecules in the space; molecules nothing but molecules. Our limitations of vision make us see only the bundles of molecules together as a table or a chair, a southern belle or a school bell. What if we could see through molecules? Then none of these differences would have mattered. A table would have looked like a chair and the belle would be indistinguishable from a bell. Our tactile feel of warm flesh would be meaningless if we could not feel; a round corner would not appear round at all."

Read here for an intresting view on things.

[Byzantine Prince]

I dont' mean to be rude but i don't want to read some lame ass paper wirtten by some simplistic hack.

If you want to talk about molecules then why stop there? Go even deeper into atoms, or even electrons. None of that stuff actually exists. They are all energy fields. We weren't even talking about that. There's a difference between physics and biology. And humans are biological creatures.

In answer to your question if you were nothign then you are nothing. You are just as dead as a robot if that is true. There is no other way.


Of course I understand your doubt in perception but use your logic and you'll see the truth as you want it to be. Everything is like that. But you can polish your theory till it's perfect just like all scientists and philosopher do.

[Adrian II]

im not mad, deppressed or suicidal but one could go mad thinking about what we are or why we are here......

You are most certainly not mad for pondering the question. Everybody faces it sooner or later in their lives.

I think the answer is that there is no meaning of life in any general sense. That's not a disaster. And it doesn't imply that 'life is meaningless'. Basically, it means you're free to give meaning to your life as you see fit. That is not a duty, it's not a necessity - it is simply a given fact. There are no hidden meanings either inside yourself or in the outside world, such as in evolution, in the Bible, any other philosopy or religion, or any outside source of 'authority'. You might go mad if you keep thinking that there is some obscure meaning to your life and you're somehow missing it, that you're missing the point of your own existence on earth. You're not, because there is none. The only point to your life is the one you consciously acknowledge. You can of course accept an outside source of meaning if you want to, but you are doing so at your discretion. It's your choice.

The downside of this is that you can't walk away from the consequences of your choices. You can never hide behind Karl Marx, the Bible or any other source of 'authority' and ascribed meaning, because you chose to follow them, believe in them, accept them as sources of meaning.

However, if you welcome the sort of inner freedom that comes with it, and if you acknowledge that many of the things that happen to you are actually the consequences your own choices, you may surprise yourself with what you are able to accomplish.

[Sjakihata]

Life is anything but meaningless. The fact that the fundamental value of man is freedom, makes any life meaningful, because each individual can chose his own fate. The meaning of life is thus relative, according to the project of each man and woman. (yes, I just read existentialism is a humanism )

[The_Emperor]

The Emperor said: "get out more!!"

Some people pursue a greater understanding. Others, either due to apathy or interest choose the "Ignorance is bliss" door.

Now in order to think that "Ignorance is bliss" you have to be deliberately hiding away from the truth...

Given that all of these many theories about the nature of our existance cannot ever be proven one way or the other then we will never know the truth.

This theory has only been embraced because of our new nature as technojunkies, Science seems to be the new religion, so our gods now in turn reflect that.

There is nothing to hide away from because we cannot ever know the answer to the question "why are we here?".

[LittleGrizzly]

It's pretty shallow to think that the mecahnics of living beings is enough to show true existence.

Ok so you don't beleave in souls. What do you beleave in? I'm asking because if you beleave that there nothing more then the mechanics then you automatically beleave that you will become nothing when you die. Also you would beleave that life is meaningless. Am I right or wrong?

Right just means i got to make sure i enjoy life.

[bmolsson]

I actually did not believe that I existed, until the bloody doctor slapped my ass. I must say getting born was not as funny as they said in my former life as a bug..... ;)

[The Wizard]

Feels real enough to me, and I'm likin' it too... keep it like this for all I care, I'll jus' keep enjoying life as it is. I really couldn't give a dime less if we livin' in the Matrix or in a marble (M.I.B.), or if we live in a fake world, while the real world does not exist but on the other hand does (Plato's world of Ideas)...

To me 's just more interesting what's happenin' down to the ground, in my life, at this moment... carpe diem!



~Wiz