Mostly of Gan Ning Zhou Yu Sun Ce and Sun Quan and Tasci Ci!
I will give my life in the defense of Lord Sun Quan!
PLZ!!!!!!
I will give my life in the defense of Lord Sun Quan!
Gan Ning: the river master. He is a pirate. People call him the Silk Sail Master since he uses silk to make the sail for his boats. He also attachs bells to the sail so they ring in the wind warn everyone to get out of his way. Gan Ning later serves Liu Biao and under Huang Zu command. Huang Zu is a hot tempered, not so smart and very selfish general. He doesn't treat Gan Ning well. After, Huang Zu army was destroyed by Sun Ce (Sun Ce seeks revenge for his father, Sun Jian, who was killed by Huang Zu earlier in the battle), Gan Ning was captured and later was asked to serve Wu. Gan Ning was treated very well by Sun Ce, Sun Quan and Zhou Yu. Gan Ning died in the first phase of the battle of Yi Ling in the hand of Samoke (king of Naman, I think).
Zhou Yu is the first commander of Wu force. He command all forces in all parts of Wu that border Shu and Wei. He is the greatest strategist of Wu. Even though Zhou Yu is a bit behind Zhuge Liang (Shu) but he is camparable to Sima Yi (Wei) and Pang Tong (Shu). Zhou Yu is the commander of Wu force in Chibi. Zhou Yu died shortly after the success in Chibi.
Sun Ce is the oldest son of Sun Jian. He is the first one to lay down the foundation of Wu after defeating Liu Yong (or Liu Yao), Wang Lang and Yan Baihu. He is a strong and fierceful warrior just like his father. He died of illness and pass the leadership to his younger brother, Sun Quan.
Sun Quan is younger brother ot Sun Ce. Even though he is not as strong and fierceful as his older brother, he is a much better leader and is the greatest leader of Wu. Later, he becomes the first emperor of Wu kingdom. He died at the age of 70.
Taici Ci is the top tiger general of Wu. He is very strong and skillful. Taici Ci served under Liu Yao. However, he know that Liu Yao can not make a good leader. During the battle between Sun Ce and Liu Yao, Taici Ci has a duel with Sun Ce. The two fought for a whole day until both was exhuasted. After that, Taici Ci joined Sun Ce. Taici Ci died in the first phase of the battle of Yi Ling because of a wound from a poisoned arrow.
There isn't much I can tell about. If you like to know more in-depth details, you will have to read the novel yourself.
[This message has been edited by pdoan8 (edited 05-12-2002).]
thx again!!! ur helpin me out alot!!! Romance of the three kingdoms is redible online!!! thx ssssssooooooo much!!!!
I will give my life in the defense of Lord Sun Quan!
Shamoke isnt the King of the Naman; that would be Meng Hu!
And wats the name of this "novel" u refer 2 pdoan?
hey frank go to askjeeves.com and search gan ning or something and the novel name is romance of the three kingdoms!
I will give my life in the defense of Lord Sun Quan!
Well, you put my memory to the test then. I read the novel the first time about 20 years ago.
I will try to explain who are Naman.
Actually, the whole word should be Nam Mang. Nam means South (of China). Mangs are tribemen. Since the Mangs are not as civilized as Chinese that is why Chinese call these tribemen Mangs, means uncivilized.
Shamo Ke is the King of Mangs. He died at the end of the Yi Ling battle (around AD 221) which is actually the battle for Jing Zhou province which Shu "borrow" from Wu and never return.
Five years after Jing Zhou (AD 225-226), Zhuge Liang set out for Nam Mangs campaign just because the new King of Mangs, at this time is Meng Hou, attack the south border of Shu.
You can not judge the fact of history base on those games. About 1/4 (25%) of the characters in DW2 and DW3 have never hold a weapon in theirs hands or they are just merely mentioned. For example:
1. Sun Shang Xiang is younger sister of Sun Quan. Even though she like martial art, but she has never been a general. Later, she become Liu Bei's wife. However, in the novel, her full name has never been mentioned. She was just generally refered as Lady Sun.
2. Zeng Ji, she is daughter-in-law of Yuan Shao (as I remember she is Yuan Shang's wife). After Cao Cao destroy Yuan Shao, she becomes Cao Pi's wife. Cao Pi forced her to commit suacide later.
3. Diao Chian, she is wife of Lu Bu. She is the main character in the plot that make Dong Zhao and his adopted son, Lu Bu, become enemy. After Dong Zhao died, Diao Chian remains as Lu Bu's wife.
4. The two sister Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao are also just mention may be in a couple of pages. Da Qiao is Sun Ce's wife and Xiao Qiao is Zhou Yu's wife. The two are the most beutiful ladies of Wu and comparable to the beauty of Diao Chian.
5. Nu Wa and Fu Xi are only the characters of a legend told in the novel. They are not characters of the novel.
Other facts to take into consideration: if you play in mouse mode, you will see Lu Xun start his career at Chibi. It is true. The first time Lu Xun appear in the novel is at Chibi where he is the vanguard of Sun Quan force (not to be confused with the main force commended by Zhou Yu). However, if you play as Jiang Wei (Shu), you should begin some where after the Naman campaign. Jiang Wei first appear at battle of TienShui which is a little before battle at Jieting. Ma Chao serve with Shu only at the end of Shu campaig (Cheng Du). Dian Wei should be death before the battle of Chibi take place. Guan Yu never appear in all of the South and West campaigns of Shu. Both Guan Yu and Zhang Fei should be death long before the Wu Zhang Plain battle. That is enough for now.
If you really want to know about the history and the legends of Romance of the Three Kingdoms, you can go to this site to read and even discuse about the novel.
http://www.sanguo-online.com/phpwebl...+English+Novel
Actually there are a resource on the general Sun Ce, maybe I find it for you later, the following article I quoted from Mr Jack Yuan's essay.
SUN CE had the style Bofu. When Sun Jian had initially raised righteous troops, Sun Ce escorted his mother to reside in Shu. He became friends with Zhou Yu, and associated with the leading men of the area. The people in the land between the Huai River and the Jiang looked to him. After Sun Jian's death his body was brought back to Qu'a for burial. After this Sun Ce subsequently crossed the Jiang to live in Jiangdu.
The Governor of Xuzhou Tao Qian possessed a deep enmity against Sun Ce. Sun Ce's uncle Wu Jing was at the time the Grand Administrator of Danyang. So Sun Ce escorted his mother to Qu'a whilst he himself went to join Wu Jing with Lu Fan and Sun He. He took the opportunity to recruit several hundred men. In the first year of Xingping [194] he joined Yuan Shu. Yuan Shu admired Sun Ce's bearing and talents and returned Sun Jian's former division to his son. Following the command of the Imperial Court, the Grand Tutor Ma Ridi safeguarded the land east of the passes. He showed courtesy to Sun Ce at Shouchun and on his recommendation, Sun Ce was appointed Colonel Who Cherishes Righteousness. Yuan Shu's great generals Qiao Rui and Zhang Xun both respected Sun Ce and Yuan Shu often sighed: "If Yuan Shu could have a son as Gentleman Sun, then there would be no regrets in death!" One of Sun Ce's horseman committed a crime and fled into Yuan Shu's encampment, hiding in the camp stables. Sun Ce sent a man to behead him and then apologised to Yuan Shu personally. Yuan Shu said: "The soldiers love to mutiny, we should act with loathing; what need is there to apologise?" From this moment on all in the army feared Sun Ce even more. Yuan Shu initially agreed to assign Sun Ce as Grand Administrator of Jiujiang but then changed his mind and employed Chen Ji of Danyang. Later Yuan Shu wanted to besiege Xuzhou and requested thirty thousand xie of rice from the Grand Administrator of Lujiang Lu Kang. Lu Kang refused and Yuan Shu was enraged. Sun Ce had paid a visit to Lu Kang but Lu Kang refused to see him, instead ordering a Master of Records to entertain him. For this, Sun Ce had an enmity for the man. Yuan Shu sent Sun Ce to besiege Lu Kang, saying: "Last time I incorrectly chose Chen Ji and now I frequently regret that my decision was not practical. If you can capture Lu Kang this time, then Lujiang will be yours." Subsequently Sun Ce besieged Lu Kang and took Lujiang commandery, yet Yuan Shu assigned his long-standing subordinate Zhang Xun as Grand Administrator. Sun Ce was even more disappointed. Before this, Liu Yao was Inspector of Yangzhou and Shouchun was the seat of provincial authority.
Shouchun was occupied by Yuan Shu; Liu Yao then crossed the Jiang and established office at Qu'a. At the time Wu Jing was still at Danyang and Sun Ce's cousin Sun Ben was also Chief Commandant of Danyang. When Liu Yao reached Qu'a, he forced them all away. Wu Jing and Sun Ben withdrew to Liyang. Liu Yao sent Fan Neng and Yu Mi to occupy Jiang Ford and Zhang Ying to obstruct Likou, so as to counter Yuan Shu. Yuan Shu himself appointed his long-standing follower Hui Qu of Langya Inspector of Yangzhou and Wu Jing as General of the Gentlemen of the Household. Wu Jing and Sun Ben together attacked Zhang Ying and the others, but no victory was gained in the year. So Sun Ce persuaded Yuan Shu to allow him to aid Wu Jing and the others to pacify the land of Jiangdong. Yuan Shu appointed Sun Ce Colonel who Breaks the Enemy Lines and acting General who Destroys the Criminals with more than a thousand soldiers and several tens of horses. His retainers and followers numbered several hundred. By the time he reached Liyang, his host was some five or six thousand. Sun Ce's mother had already travelled from Qu'a to Liyang and Sun Ce then transferred her to Fuling. He then crossed the Jiang to fight; and all places he travelled fell to him. None dared to oppose his vanguard. His army was highly disciplined, and military laws stern. The commoners were very impressed.
Personally, Sun Ce was handsome and loved to converse and joke. He was broad-minded, could listen to the opinions of others and possessed leadership qualities. Hence when the officers and commoners saw him, none were unwilling to do their utmost and sacrifice themselves for him. When Liu Yong abandoned his troops and fled, the grand administrators of the various commanderies deserted their cities and fled too. Yan Baihu of Wujun and others assembled more than ten thousand followers and encamped far and wide. Wu Jing and others planned to defeat Yan Baihu his confederates first and then to march on Huiqi. Sun Ce said: "Yan Baihu and his confederates are a band of bandits and have no great aspiration. This time I will surely capture him." Subsequently he led his troops across the Zhe River, occupied Huiqi, took Dongye and then defeated Yan Baihu and the others. All changed to corresponding offices; Sun Ce made himself Grand Administrator of Huiqi, then made Wu Jing Grand Administrator of Danyang, assigned Sun Ben as Grand Administrator of Yuzhang. He partitioned Yuzhang to form Luling commandery and assigned Sun Ben's brother Sun Fu Grand Administrator of Luling, and Zhu Zhi of Danyang as Grand Administrator of Wujun. Zhang Shao of Pengcheng, Zhang Hong of Guangling, Qin Song, Chen Rui and others, become the chief advisors.
At that time Yuan Shu usurped Imperial sovereignty and Sun Ce wrote to break off relations with him. Duke Cao recommended Sun Ce as General who Exterminates the Rebels, with enfeoffment as Marquis of Wu. Later Yuan Shu died, and the Chief Clerk Yang Hong and great general Zhang Xun were planned to join Sun Ce with their followers. Liu Xun, the Grand Administrator of Lujiang, attacked them, took them captive and looted their possessions. Sun Ce heard this and pretended to befriend him. As Liu Xun gained Yuan Shu's followers, more than ten thousand clansmen from Shangliao in Yuzhang moved to Jiangdong. Sun Ce convinced Liu Xun to take them captive. After Liu Xun left, Sun Ce's shock troops travelled by day and by night to assault and seize Lujiang. Liu Xun's followers all surrendered except several hundred, who submitted with Liu Xun, to Duke Cao. At that time Yuan Shao was powerful whilst Sun Ce forced the borders from Jiangdong. Duke Cao's power was limited and wanted to placate Sun Ce for a while. Hence he arranged for the marriage of his younger brother's daughter to Sun Ce's young brother Sun Kuang and also the daughter of Sun Ben to Cao Zhang. Concurrently he gave public notice to employ Sun Ce's younger brother Sun Quan and Sun Yi for civil service, and ordered the Yan Xiang, Inspector of Yangzhou, to recommend Sun Quan as an 'Accomplished Talent'.
In the fifth year of Jian'an [200] Duke Cao confronted Yuan Shao at Guandu and Sun Ce contrived to attack Xu and take charge of the Han emperor. He began to conduct military exercises in secret and give assignments to his generals. Before completion, unexpectedly Sun Ce was killed by the retainers of the former Grand Administrator of Wujun, Xu Gong. Earlier Sun Ce had killed Xu Gong and Xu Gong's young son and retainers hid by the Jiang. When Sun Ce rode out alone, he suddenly encountered Xu Gong's retainers, who attacked and wounded him. Sun Ce's wounds were very serious and he summoned Zhang Zhao among others and said to them: "The Middle Kingdom is in disorder. Sustained by the host of Wu and Yue and the barrier of the three rivers, we can observe who triumphs and falls. Various lords, please assist my brother." He then summoned Sun Quan and bestowed his seal and insignia, saying to him: "In mobilising the people of Jiangdong, attacking opportunely in the confrontation of armies and contesting victory with All Under Heaven, you are not equal to me. In promoting the virtuous and employing the able, leading them to accomplish all they can to protect Jiangdong, I am not equal to you." That night he died at the age of twenty-six.
When Sun Quan took imperial title he gave Sun Ce the posthumous appellation: King Huan of Changsha; and enfeoffed his son Sun Shao as the Marquis of Wu, later promoted to Marquis of Shangyu. After Sun Shao's death, his son Sun Feng succeeded. In the time of Sun Hao, some said that Sun Feng should take the throne and so he was put to death.
Appraisal: Sun Jian was courageous and resolute, rising from humble origins to make his fortune. In advising Zhang Wen to execute Dong Zhuo and repairing the desecrated tombs, he provided loyal and heroic service. Sun Ce possessed peerless heroic spirit, unparalleled courage, could defeat his opponents by a surprise move, and had ambition to pacify the Empire. Nevertheless, they were frivolous, stubborn and impetuous; consequently they would lose their lives in defeat. In any case, they occupied Jiangdong and Sun Ce secured the foundations of the future state of Wu. Yet Sun Quan did not show suitable respect to his inheritance, enfeoffing Sun Ce's son only as a marquis; surely not a righteous end.
Quoted from Mr Jack Yuan website. I find the website for you if you want.
[This message has been edited by tienyi (edited 05-13-2002).]
wow, thx for all that info!!!!!!
I will give my life in the defense of Lord Sun Quan!
You flaterring me Lu Meng, its the people you thanks for giving all their information out, or it will have been a shame to have left great warriors great achievements inside their tombs. That's why history records are have an affect towards today's society.
alright
I will give my life in the defense of Lord Sun Quan!
Tienyi,
I see that you have done some good research.
This period of China history is very interesting. If you have some spare time, search on the web or in local library. There are more info about the era now.
The other era that you might want to look into:
Spring and Autumn Period.
Warrings States Period.
(those two sometimes refered as one)
You are overlooking me pdoan8, I rely quite a lot on text, I can't remember by mind, you are the one who gave more information off by heart I read and type or quote.
do you know any thing about sun shang xiang or the quia sisters or what any general did ZHOU YU GAN NING LU MENG
I will give my life in the defense of Lord Sun Quan!
Quote Originally posted by tienyi:
...I read and type or quote.[/QUOTE]
That is how to do good historical research. Read (a lot). Write down your idea or what you learned. Quote to prove or strenghten your point of view.
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