Kingdom of Heaven

**The Blind King of Bohemia** · 12-24-2004, 15:49

The trailer is now up:

Kingdom of Heaven

Looks alright lads, and no doubt poor old Neeson will get it, like he always does!

The guy playing saladin looks the part and i like the leper references to Baldwin. As long as the action isn't taken over by soppy love story shite we should be ok

**Pindar** · 12-24-2004, 18:04

Hmmm, This looks interesting. I had thought this film would be taken over by soppy West/bad, East/good tripe which seems the standard position of the sackcloth wearing purveyors of Medieval History. Maybe, Scott won't totally condemn the one over the other.

**The Wizard** · 12-24-2004, 19:57

Personally, I think the Crusades themselves were ignorant, hate-bearing and ultimately totally useless, while the people of Outremer were those that were productive. Yet, Christians had lived in Outremer since long before the Crusades, so ultimately you can conclude the Crusades to be something generally bad.

~Wiz

**The Blind King of Bohemia** · 12-24-2004, 21:12

I read a bit more into it first mate. Read the history of the crusades by stephen runciman.

The creation of outremer was an amazing feat even though Muslim oppostion was not united. to even reach Jerusalem was amazing but of course the bloodbath that ensued will always be remembered over other acts during the First Crusade.

The last defence of acre was incredible and the last stand of some of the knighly orders as the walls collapsed around them was almost perfectional heroism.

There is so much history behind it it and set up amazing campaigns for me, as a military student to read extensively into.

**Ash** · 12-26-2004, 03:47

The First Crusade was a Barbarian invasion as the Christian nations weren't as cultured as the Muslims or the Byzantines in that period.

It's also the most remarkable. A Byzantine Emperor asking for help from the Pope, who in turn wants to free the Holy Lands from the infidel, and Christian kings and nobles seeking prestige and booty from questing for Jaruzalem, concluding with thousends of simple peasants plundering through Europe practically unarmed and getting slaughtered just when they got to the fringes of their destination.

The First Crusade is fascinating. The following crusades were all political, the high point of which was HRE emperor Frederick II Staufer's crusade in 1227. That had nothing to do with any ecclestical goals rather then political powerplay in Italy and the Outremer.

**Ash** · 12-26-2004, 03:51

Originally Posted by The Wizard

Personally, I think the Crusades themselves were ignorant, hate-bearing and ultimately totally useless, while the people of Outremer were those that were productive. Yet, Christians had lived in Outremer since long before the Crusades, so ultimately you can conclude the Crusades to be something generally bad.

True, but that's also quite revisionist, which is too easy IMO.

**Spino** · 12-27-2004, 06:46

Oooh, Orlando Bloom! What a powerhouse of talent and ability! You would think Liam Neeson was enough of a name (and a talent) to carry the film but nooooo, they had to go and hire one-note-overexposed-pretty-boy-Bloom. Something tells me the studio execs were adamant that Scott get Bloom or some other flash in the pan pretty boy. Well at least it's not Keanu Reeves...

As far as I'm concerned Ridley has been banished to the directorial doghouse for that pile of crap called Gladiator. I do hope Kingdom of Heaven is good but I fear that much like Gladiator (which was CRAP), the trailer promises much more than the film will actually deliver.

**Sethik** · 12-27-2004, 08:26

What was so bad about Gladiator, Spino? That was a good movie. Is it the historical (i.e. it wasn't) part of it that pissed you off?

BKB can you elaborate on:

The last defence of acre was incredible and the last stand of some of the knighly orders as the walls collapsed around them was almost perfectional heroism.

Have any websites that offer explicit details?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 04-09-2005, 05:09

I posted the trailer to this over a month ago. Whats this ?

**Gregoshi** · 04-10-2005, 00:02

I thought this was a newer trailer Gawain. The IGN.com story about it was dated April 6. If it is old, then my apologies.

**PanzerJaeger** · 04-10-2005, 00:40

It looks great to me, but i liked gladiator and ive heard that movie torn apart more times than i can remember on these boards..

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 04-10-2005, 03:04

I thought this was a newer trailer Gawain. The IGN.com story about it was dated April 6. If it is old, then my apologies.

No you are correct this is a newer one. However its still the same topic. Hey I cant expect everyone to remember what I posted a month ago. I guess im just an attention seeker