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    Well done trailer. Might wanna watch the movie, though something pissed me off, Saladin is a very skinny person, he was a kurd, they were generally of bigger build becuase of the rough environment they lived in, not peeps with skin on bones
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    *predicts that obligatory female love intrest will be fought over by a Crusader & a Muslim in true Hollywood style*

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    Speaking of muslims, now i remember whose acting Saladin, i think Hollywood chose the right person, Ghassan Massoud is a very famous syrian actor he did several historical movies/series like Al Hajjaj and Ze Qar, but still hes a bit skinny from what i hear from a recent interview Ghassan says the script is impartial and put saladin in a good light, quit contrary to what i thought actually. Makes me more interested in watching the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faisal
    Speaking of muslims, now i remember whose acting Saladin, i think Hollywood chose the right person, Ghassan Massoud is a very famous syrian actor he did several historical movies/series like Al Hajjaj and Ze Qar, but still hes a bit skinny from what i hear from a recent interview Ghassan says the script is impartial and put saladin in a good light, quit contrary to what i thought actually. Makes me more interested in watching the movie.
    Faisal,

    Of all the things that can go wrong with this film you're concerned about the build of the actor playing Saladin?!?
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    Oooh, Orlando Bloom! What a powerhouse of talent and ability! You would think Liam Neeson was enough of a name (and a talent) to carry the film but nooooo, they had to go and hire one-note-overexposed-pretty-boy-Bloom. Something tells me the studio execs were adamant that Scott get Bloom or some other flash in the pan pretty boy. Well at least it's not Keanu Reeves...
    I actually think that Orlando isn't that bad of an actor. But as for Gladitor, I think it was ok... as long as you forgot everything you knew about history for a couple of hours. Same for Braveheart, though I think that Mel isn't nearly as good an actor as Russel Crowe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
    I actually think that Orlando isn't that bad of an actor. But as for Gladitor, I think it was ok... as long as you forgot everything you knew about history for a couple of hours. Same for Braveheart, though I think that Mel isn't nearly as good an actor as Russel Crowe.
    I disagree about Bloom, he has the acting range of a defective squirt gun. He is the same person in every role he plays. Barring the costumes and hairstyles you could interchange all the characters he's played and you would not be able to discern the differences in his performances. Bloom is constantly working not because of his acting abilities but because ever since Lord of the Rings hit the theaters it has been proven that his onscreen presence moistens the seats of young teenage girls and and that directly translates into box office numbers.

    I definitely agree that Crowe is far superior to Gibson in terms of acting ability. However as far as historical trangressions are concerned Braveheart didn't seem nearly as bad as Gladiator, perhaps because I think it is a superior film to Gladiator. My problems with Gladiator are not simply rooted in its historical inaccuracies. When I watch Gladiator the only thing that I enjoy outside the cinematography and technical achievements is the presence of Russell Crowe, Derek Jacobi, Richard Harris and the 15-20 minutes of carnage that took place in the arenas and colosseum. Beyond those elements I cannot think of Gladiator as anything other than a B flick made on a massive budget. The script is ridiculously shallow and a good chunk of the supporting cast defies all sense of logic and taste. I could have done withouth Joaquin Phoenix and his terrible English accent. Dijmon Honsou sucks, period. That oversized former Mr. Universe/Mr. Olympian German actor who played Maximus' token aryan gladiator buddy would be more convincing if he was cast as a stone wall.
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    On heroism at the fall of Acre (Akko), I believe that the last of the christians to hold out were one of the fighting orders (Templars, I believe, or Hospitallers) who fought on after the walls of the city had been breached. They holed themselves up in their fortress/convent when everyone else left and refused surrender terms (although I beleive one Muslim source says that they were offered terms but the Muslims then took them back when the knights abused some prisoners). Eventually, their fortress was undermined and collapsed, and all the knights died in the final defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spino
    Faisal,

    Of all the things that can go wrong with this film you're concerned about the build of the actor playing Saladin?!?
    these are the least of my concerns, also whats the the kite shield

    I thought the early crusaders had norman shields (waterdrop looking). I think i just saw ghulams with round shield in the trailer they looked pretty good despite the pretty brief glimpse
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    I think Norman shields are kite shaped... but not triangle. It's like a curve on top, then a kind of triangle at the bottom.

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    Hurin you are right about the templars. They held out in the citadal with the wounded hospitillar grandmaster being took away by ship to cyprus screaming to his colleagues that he wanted to return to the fray.

    But the templars did agree to surrender but the mamluks that entered the fortress started to abuse the remaining acre population in the citadel so the templars cut ehm down and the final siege began with an intense bombardment and when a breach was made the sultan impatiently threw 2,000 mamluks into the breach, the templars fought until overwhelmed but as the mamluks entered the foundations collapsed killing all within including the majority of the attackers.

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