Anybody feel like defending the honor? :)

**Stefan the Berserker** · 12-30-2004, 17:35

he's a MORMON

However, in my understanding of the word "barbarians" the Mormons are barbarians.

**The samnite** · 12-30-2004, 18:50

What exactly is your definition of barbarian then? Any religious person?

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 12-31-2004, 03:17

That's Pindar. Great debator, from what I've seen in the Backroom. And a great conservative ally. I think you just need to show him some good sources of information about "barbarians" to sway him.

**Stefan the Berserker** · 12-31-2004, 14:14

What exactly is your definition of barbarian then? Any religious person?

I use the modern word "barbarian" for a couple of negative attributes on people, which behave against my viewpoint of Morale and modern Culture.

September 11 2001 was Barbarian.
Persecution of Homosexuals is Barbarian.
Death Penalty is Barbarian.
Destruction of Nature is Barbarian.

The Mormons are a fundamentalist christian sect which interprets Jesus Message in an very arch-conservative way which is mostly based on lies.

Of Course, now you may call me intolerant but Mormons are a variant of Christianity, my own religion. So I can't accept their radical viewpoints because then I would rely my own ones.

Because their arch-conservative viewpoints are so radical and unacceptable they are barbarian to my view.

In other words, "Barbarian" is equal in meaning with "Stupid Butthole", "People from Yesterday" or "Junkie".

**Stefan the Berserker** · 12-31-2004, 15:39

Oh and yes: Historical Research is religious behaviour. Why?

Well, in Germany the interpretation of the national identity is based on the Family. Karl Marx developed an equal theory on the development of modern Society: Families in the Stoneage founded Grandfamilies incluedeing mostly all relatives, together the group of Humans could survive. In the Toolage and later those Grandfamilies combined to Tribes, like the Celtic and Germanic Tribes were subdivided into Familyclans. Then the Tribes combine into loose Alliances, which were later replaced by tight alliances called "Nation" and this process will never end.

A dead body of a Celtic Chieftain is the rest of an Ancestor or your People, maybe even a direct Ancestor of your own person. If you knew it was direct Ancestor of your own Person, of course then you would favor he did get a proper grave rather than beeing exposed in a Museum.

The western Germanic people are the Ancestors of the medieval teutonic-germans, the medieval teutonic-germans are the ancestors of the modern Germans. The Slavs in Ancient are the Ancestors of modern Slavs an so on.

Originally Posted by God

You shall honor your Father and Mother.

This includes all of your Ancestors, who deserve a honorful treatment.

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If you are still not convinced start calculating 270 B.C. -> 2004 A.D. = 2274 Years. Theoretically every generation got 80 Years to live, that would make ~ 28 Generations to go backwards in time. You have two parents, they got two parents, so you have four Grandpartents, those have parents and you have eight Grand-Grandparents... Then you start on trying out who many 'parents' you have, 2 x 2 for the first and then again take the result with x 2 for 27 times: 268.435.456 Individuals are theoretically your Grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grandparents living in 270 B.C. !

That means calling Celts, Germanics, Slavs etc. your Ancestors is a biological Fact. Even if my calultion is wrong, and it is unless not every generation lived 80 years, you can see how many Individuals' Blood floods in your veins.

If someone could makes a more proper calculation on that thing, it could deserve its own thread!

**khelvan** · 12-31-2004, 18:15

Just to be clear, any flame war, regardless of who started it, will be deleted from this forum.

Please make sure to keep the heated ones over in the Backroom ;)

**Big_John** · 12-31-2004, 21:33

love your mod guys.. so are mormons going to be in the barbarian culture? that'd be sweet.

um, wait a sec, wth does any of this have to do with EB? shouldn't this whole thread be in the tavern or something?

anyway, i'm really, really, really looking forward to your product, i wish i could help, but i have neither the time nor the talent :/