Gaesatae implementation

[khelvan]

Greetings! I was hoping to get the input of the folks who will be playing EB when it is released.

As a mod team we are dedicated to historical accuracy. This, however, brings up a dilemma with respect to the depiction of the Gaesatae. These warriors fought completely naked, no clothing whatsoever. Our initial thought was to give them a loincloth, so as not to pose a problem for our younger players.

However, one might assume that based on the level of historical accuracy we are attempting to achieve, the core of our audience will be more mature RTW players. On the other hand, we can and probably will market this mod as an educational tool in some respects, which will be difficult if we have anatomically correct Gaesatae.

So, the question is, how do you think we should implement these fierce warriors?

[lt1956]

Khelvan,

I'm afraid for realism sake you must include them. lol I too was debating this I guess it could be considered Pornography, but it IS realism. But I wont be including it in my mod. I feel the guy who made the CAS delebtarely made the penis large and in my opinion it was excessive more as a little joke and bragging about himself. I would suggest a more realistic cast in the area, if you do it.

Lt

[khelvan]

lt1956, I am not familiar with this CAS you are talking about. The EB team has created a unit concept from scratch, and will be modelling the unit based on this concept. So I can't comment on how large or small our model will be in comparison. What I can tell you is that we will do our best to portray the Gaesatae in a historical manner.

[eadingas]

Are we going to be covering statues in the cities as well? Bah. If we're going to be historical, let's be historical. We can always do like Osprey and in animation cover the naughty bits with shield :)

[lt1956]

Well thats good to hear. That other cas was neat but stupid really, the guy who made it was more for a joke than accuracy.

But if it can tactfully be done then I would like to see a Naked fanatic thats naked. But I really think it needs to be done right.

As to the statues, They were not painted in color as human, I bet you if they were they would cover them. lol Of course you could make all the fanatics like marble? lol

Lt

[eadingas]

Actually, ancient statues WERE painted with life-like colors, they weren't marble-white originally.
Maybe we should change that, too, BTW.

[sharrukin]

pg-13 or patch to fix.
Some of us do not want to see some naked hairy barbarian charging at us with all sorts of things waving to and fro. It's no wonder the Romans were so frightened of them!

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Pixilation?

An awkward subject indeed. I would suggest shipping one version, with the other version as an easy-to-use patch. Personally, I would probably use the "censored" version - I don't need:

*dad enters room*
"Nice army there, son. What the - "


But I say if the team is willing to provide both versions to the public, then great.

[alman7272]

Release the PG-13 version with a patch. I don't want to see some burly Gauls piece flopping around as he charges my army.

[Steppe Merc]

Both. Just as a back up plan, you know? Makes everyone happy, and while that normally isn't good, in this case I think an exception should be made.

[Stefan the Berserker]

As a mod team we are dedicated to historical accuracy. This, however, brings up a dilemma with respect to the depiction of the Gaesatae. These warriors fought completely naked, no clothing whatsoever. Our initial thought was to give them a loincloth, so as not to pose a problem for our younger players.

However, one might assume that based on the level of historical accuracy we are attempting to achieve, the core of our audience will be more mature RTW players. On the other hand, we can and probably will market this mod as an educational tool in some respects, which will be difficult if we have anatomically correct Gaesatae.

So, the question is, how do you think we should implement these fierce warriors?

I vote they should be fully naked, as this is realism and the most of the playerhood are male and/or old enough to see it. Anyway I don't think that young Boys would take care of it, unless they see their own Cock when they go to toilet for a Pee and they would rather try to get some Pornography by watching public TV after Midnight instead of Playing our Mod.

Anyway, classical Greek Statues do also have naked genitals. Did anybody intend to close a Museum for showing naked Statues or remove their genitals?

Wonderful discussion for a Pub

[Silver Rusher]

I say the best thing to do is to release 2 versions of the mod, one with all the correct clothing, or lack of it, and the other with the genitels covered like civilised people (which is not what they were). Each version would change other explicit areas as well, the more adult version maybe including blood if it was possible? However, I do doubt that people young enough to care would even be playing this mod in the first place.

[khelvan]

Well, considering that this is the only unit I think we have planned in the entire campaign that could have this problem, I doubt we'll be releasing two full-size mod versions.

So the choice is one or the other, with a small patch. Not two versions...

[Kaiser of Arabia]

i forgot what i voted but go for historical accuracy but keep the temperature in winter gual in mind

[SwordsMaster]

Well, I think a modest loincloth isn´t going to harm anyone. Specially as most of the gamers are livingwith their families and some family members would object.

[Big_John]

boo hoo, i can't vote.. don't you guys trust me

if i could vote i'd vote for the 3rd option, simply from a marketing stand point. if this mod receives such attention (e.g. pcgamer) then maybe you want a "least-offensive common denominator" approach. and i mean a little nudity patch wouldn't hurt anyone. i don't think the mod should be concerned about the 'philosophical ramifications' of this one little ahistoricality.

then again, it's quite right to point out that hte vast majority of people who would want to play this mod are old enough to see the occaisional kibble and/or bit bobbling around in a war game.

swords & death is ok? killing animals and children is ok? but no nudity? now that's some strong mojo you puritans!

think of the children.

[ah_dut]

big_john, you can't vote cos you're not a full member. I think that we should do what osprey do...

[Big_John]

thx ah_dut, i know that.. i was making a funny. anyway, what does osprey do? cover up the parts with shield and weapon poses? how would that work with the various angles from which the models can be seen? sounds hard.. besides, imo, that solution would be even more contrived than a loincloth..

[IrishMike]

I can see the prebattle speech now.... Good men of Rome. Do not be intimidated by the Gauls huge...... Um yeah. Instead good Romans, know this, Roman knowledge of battle field tactics and positions will win the day.

I say to keep it safe release a patch later on that has the nudity in it.

[son of spam]

ROFL!!

Pixilated seems good to me...not many people would zoom in and go "oooo look at the realistic penises" anyway.

[ah_dut]

thx ah_dut, i know that.. i was making a funny. anyway, what does osprey do? cover up the parts with shield and weapon poses? how would that work with the various angles from which the models can be seen? sounds hard.. besides, imo, that solution would be even more contrived than a loincloth..

yep, they cover it up with poses, weapon placing etc, hard to do perhaps but they were naked and this is a historical accuracy mod...even to the bits you don't like

[Big_John]

yep, they cover it up with poses, weapon placing etc, hard to do perhaps but they were naked and this is a historical accuracy mod...even to the bits you don't like

right, so since that concern seems to trump all else, just make them naked as can be and let the prudes be damned. why not switch it and release a loincloth patch for the easily offended?

[khelvan]

Well, having that option would have been a good thing, but it would require restarting the poll at this point.

In any event, it looks like most people want a realistic interpretation, or a minor patch to correct the inaccuracy. I think "better safe than sorry" might be a good approach here, as we do have children playing the game or watching over their parents' shoulders.

[sharrukin]

Well, we are not using the 'Suncross' ie: Swastika for very good reasons and I see this as similar. No point in upsetting people when it is such a minor point.

[Big_John]

i thought you were'nt using the swastika reflection b/c it'd make the mod illegal to play/distribute in germany..

so, the question is would a polygonal penis make the mod illegal anywhere? with christian conservatives in office, could i even play it here in the land of the free?

[sharrukin]

i thought you were'nt using the swastika reflection b/c it'd make the mod illegal to play/distribute in germany..

so, the question is would a polygonal penis make the mod illegal anywhere? with christian conservatives in office, could i even play it here in the land of the free?

"we are not using the 'Suncross' ie: Swastika "

[Big_John]

ah, i'm not being understood. it must be saturday..

i know you're not using the suncross b/c it's portrayed as a swastika on certain reflected textures. now the main reason this is a problem is b/c it'd make the mod illegal in germany, right? the semi-serious question i was asking is whether nudity would make the mod contraband in any country.

[Shigawire]

Don't forget that the Gaesatae was a tribe of mercenaries in Cisalpine Gaul, I don't want to see them being recruitable in Belgae or Britain for example. :p

[sharrukin]

ah, i'm not being understood. it must be saturday..

i know you're not using the suncross b/c it's portrayed as a swastika on certain reflected textures. now the main reason this is a problem is b/c it'd make the mod illegal in germany, right? the semi-serious question i was asking is whether nudity would make the mod contraband in any country.

My mistake. The land of the Puritans may not care for that. The possibility still exists of using the Suncross but a version less akin to the Swastika, hence avoiding any legal entanglements (we hope). Raises an interesting question, if it doesn't look much like a Swastika is it still illegal in Germany.

[Big_John]

what if you make it look like a fluffy kitten?? hmm........