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    In old Japan many talented people where to be found.
    I take it that you already know of famous clan leaders such as Takeda Shingen, Uesugi Kenshin, Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa Ieyasu. These are the most famous from the Sengoku Jidai, and they were all talented, some more in war, others in intruige, politics, economics, and the like.
    Of course there were many more clan leaders, or daimyo, who are worth mentioning, but that I do not intend, because I could continue in eternity.

    Another kind of talented people in Japan, where kensai, swordmasters. The one who I admire most, is Miyamoto Musashi the author of Gorin no sh˘, A Book of Five Rings (worth reading). He live from circa 1580-1645.

    Another famous man is Hattori Hanzo, he commanded a band of 200 ninja for Tokugawa Ieyasu, and his skills were legendary.

    Someone asked that there was no similarities to Jean D'arc in Japan. If the phrase was intended as no women were legendary heroes, that is true. But there was a talented man, maybe more talented than Musashi, his name is Minamoto Yoshiie (1041-1108).

    These persons are talented most in the Art of War, but there were a great deal of scholars, statesmen, officials, and other such persons, who were masters at subterfuge, assassination, secrets, lies, and manipulation.
    Those people were just as important as the warriors, sometimes even more. Just mention some few known and talented scholars:
    ˘ie Masafusa who wrote the book, K˘ke Shidai which contains valuable history sources. He died in 1111 AD.
    Miyoshi Kiyotsura he was a scholar-statesman who was inspired by Chinese classical learning and antagonistic to Buddhism.

    I hope this answered your questions.

    Source: www.samurai-archives.com & brain



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    'Another kind of talented people in Japan, where kensai, swordmasters. The one who I admire most, is Miyamoto Musashi the author of Gorin no sh˘, A Book of Five Rings...'

    Wow! never heard of him before. However I think the original question was about people OTHER than (ie not) warriors or...

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    'Another famous man is Hattori Hanzo, he commanded a band of 200 ninja for Tokugawa Ieyasu, and his skills were legendary...'

    ...great ninja spies. Yes we all know those stories of black-clad super ninja are all absolute historical fact, don't we?!

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    'Someone asked that there was no similarities to Jean D'arc in Japan. If the phrase was intended as no women were legendary heroes, that is true.'

    Er, except 'Yoshitsune' gave us a detailed account from the Japanese chronicles of the legendary warrior-woman Tomoe Gozen. Surprised an expert on Japanese history like you never heard of her. You DID read the thread didn't you???

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    'I hope this answered your questions.'

    Yes, I think it did. Nice to see such an esteemed authority as yourself deigning to educate we ignorant masses. I'm sure Dr S Turnbull would be impressed with your knowledge.




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    Thank you for that information, Sjakihata Akechi.

    Don't mind Roman's sarcasm, either.
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    Roman, if you choose to call musashi a warrior, it is ok for me. However, everyone who have studied just a little japanese history know that he actually were an intellectual and philosopher, and he was an advisor in a way too. He advised/trained people in a school called: one school two swords. And as i recall one of the topic questions was Quote trainers in the army[/QUOTE].

    Of course ninja were not cled in black, did you not even know this
    Actually when they engaged in night operations they used more commonly darkblue
    And you should understand that when I say ninja I do not mean some kind of Hollywood ninja who can jump 20 ft and run as fast as the wind while fighting 20 odd opponents.

    I have never claimed to be an expert of Japanese history, have I? But I do not take her as a legendary hero like Jean D'arc.
    I know, of course, that there were women, but no one legendary.
    Other talented women are:
    1)H˘j˘ Masako (1156-1225)
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    Masako, one of the most formidable political figures to take a place on the stage of Japan's warrior government.

    2)Oichi - Nobunagas sister

    3)Tokuko - wife of Emperor Takakura

    gee, thank you, you think I have esteemed authority I am glad..

    btw. I was just trying to be helpful, if you did not like my points, you should
    1)Not make any post - keep it to yourself.
    2)Posted constructive critisism so we could discuss the subject, and thus learn.

    Have a nice - you just made my bad.


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    There was a time in Japan (pre-Sengogku)when men and women were equal. During this time marriages were done differently. The husband visited the house of the woman he was looking to marry. This custom alone earned women much more respect and equality. But, with the rise of the samurai, the practice was reversed so the woman came to live with the man. I know it doesn't seem so signifigant, but it did(along with men being more important in war) result men having higher status than women.

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