Titles of Generals

**nokhor** · 01-06-2005, 22:40

virtus is something i haven't seen before so it might evolve from that. i've also never had a spymaster but i doubt that would lead to augustus.

**dismal** · 01-07-2005, 00:40

This is my understanding:

Generally the epithet titles come when you racked up a lot of virtue points in a single category.

"Spy Master", for example requires 24 virtue points in that category and brings the epithet "the Cunning".

Of the virtues you listed, the ones that require the most points are:

Spy Master (24)
Legendary Commander (16)
Cons. Politician (15)
Conqueror (15)
Great attacker (8)
Clean Hands (5)

"Virtus" takes 4 points in the "True Roman" line.

If I had to guess on what gives "Augustus", I'd guess "Consummate Politician".

**Simetrical** · 01-07-2005, 01:46

What traits cause what epithets is listed in data\text\export_VnVs.txt. The title Augustus is caused by the Virtus trait. There's no such thing as going "up" or "down"; as far as I can tell, an epithet-granting trait automatically overrides any epithet the general might already have when it's first gained.

-Simetrical

**Kraxis** · 01-07-2005, 01:57

Good to know... So there is nothing like a superior epithet, like a last of the line in the Mighty line isn't suprior to a 1st in the politician line? I don't think I like it.

I just had a nice convertion today. Alexander's heir, Cleitus (interesting analogy to the real Alexander and Cleitus), became first Mean, then Wrathful and after his taking the reigns he became Cleitus the Killer... I say: How fitting. Eventhough they are caused by different lines they fit each other greatly and Cleitus certainly is a nasty fellow to wrongfoot.

**Count Fudgula** · 01-07-2005, 11:30

Thanks for the information, folks. Looks like "vitus" is the one that did it, now if only I could work out how to get that again...

I tried doing a reload to check the deaths of the two generals on the same turn, and I noticed that if I refused the husband for the daughter the two older generals would survive. I also refused to adopt two other captains from Man Of The Hour type opportunities that same turn. The two old guys are still going strong after a few more turns, and a few more refusals of adoption opportunites.

My theory is that the chance of your older generals dying off is greatly enhanced whenever your generals-to-provinces ratio gets too high. I currently have the same number of generals and potential generals (sons and possible husbands to daughters) as I have provinces. Has anyone got any hard figures on the ideal ratio? Or can anyone else confirm that this kind of behaviour is occuring?

**dismal** · 01-07-2005, 19:02

I think many have sensed that you're more likely to get adoption opportunities if your territories/generals ratio expands, but I'd be surprised to learn your death chances go up when the ratio contracts.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever lost enough territory to find out.

The one thing from observation that I do suspect increases the chance of death a lot is being on a ship. I seem to have had more than my share of older generals die on ships.

**Kraxis** · 01-08-2005, 02:39

I just remembered the way Alexander got his Conqueror epithet, well at least the interesting story behind it.

He was going on a rampage in Asia Minor, chrushing Pontic, Greek and Armenian armies right and left. But eventually even he needed help and the three closest generals were sent to help with their armies. They were: Kassandros, Ptolomy and Seleucus. Now isn't that interesting... I wish Alexander had a 'Reborn' trait, I would have believed it.

**Red Harvest** · 01-12-2005, 17:33

Originally Posted by Count Fudgula

Thanks for the information, folks. Looks like "vitus" is the one that did it, now if only I could work out how to get that again...

I tried doing a reload to check the deaths of the two generals on the same turn, and I noticed that if I refused the husband for the daughter the two older generals would survive. I also refused to adopt two other captains from Man Of The Hour type opportunities that same turn. The two old guys are still going strong after a few more turns, and a few more refusals of adoption opportunites.

My theory is that the chance of your older generals dying off is greatly enhanced whenever your generals-to-provinces ratio gets too high. I currently have the same number of generals and potential generals (sons and possible husbands to daughters) as I have provinces. Has anyone got any hard figures on the ideal ratio? Or can anyone else confirm that this kind of behaviour is occuring?

That is VERY interesting. I had not noticed the link before but recalling circumstances it sounds quite plausible, I'll start watching for this. I think I'm going to start refusing adoption of generals with poor pedigrees. I have been arranging retinue transfers whenever my generals hit their mid 50's. It really helps the upstarts to get rolling. I park the old guy in a big province where he can make lots of money for me, keep order up/squalor down, recruit units cheaply, and build stuff at a discount. He spends his retirement years in comfort governing cities and transferring some of his retinue.