Whats EB's take on Epic and Large walls?

**Byzantine Prince** · 01-12-2005, 16:01

Lol that's basically every one that already has it.

They are not too much. Rome's wall was Epic.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 01-12-2005, 17:59

Originally Posted by Byzantine_Prince

Lol that's basically every one that already has it.

They are not too much. Rome's wall was Epic.

You're mistaken given the timeframe of the 270BC-14AD. Rome only started to have really impressive "epic" wall defenses in the Late Empire. In fact, during quite some time, Rome wasn't a city known for exceptional hability to resist sieges. Do you forget that Rome was sacked by the Gauls in 378BC?

**Urnamma** · 01-12-2005, 19:44

I've been thinking along these lines for a while.. We might just see a solution to this in the near future.

**lt1956** · 01-12-2005, 22:33

Simple way is what I did, Remove Large stone and Epic walls from Factions and give the Senate the ability to build them, Therefore Rome will have its Epic walls over time. I also adjusted the game dates to 220BC-220AD. Seems more fitting for the game than 270bc. Anyone agree?

**Meneldil** · 01-12-2005, 22:48

I think EB will start in 300BC. I'm not sure about that of course, so you'd better wait for an official answer

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 01-12-2005, 23:05

Originally Posted by Meneldil

I think EB will start in 300BC. I'm not sure about that of course, so you'd better wait for an official answer

Here is the official answer: ~3rd century BC > ~1st century AD

**Shigawire** · 01-14-2005, 14:05

Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Also another thing. During the late Empire (I supose you mean around 500 BC) Rome was in dissarray so they didn't really build anything new.

Woot?

No. First, Rome wasn't an empire in 500 BC. That's "early", not "late".
In 500 BC, it was a mudhole like many other places.
Late Roman empire means precisely that: LATE. Meaning, lat-er. 14 AD is latER than 500 BC. 500 BC is earliER than 14 AD.

Rome didn't have "epic" walls until the imperial times of the Caesar Augustans and other emperors. Till then, they had regular and large stone walls.

It is said that Tyre had huge walls when Alexander besieged it and took it with some very large siege-towers. Though this is sure to have been exaggerated.

**Byzantine Prince** · 01-12-2005, 22:47

Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

You're mistaken given the timeframe of the 270BC-14AD. Rome only started to have really impressive "epic" wall defenses in the Late Empire. In fact, during quite some time, Rome wasn't a city known for exceptional hability to resist sieges. Do you forget that Rome was sacked by the Gauls in 378BC?

Yes know it was sacked. But right after it was sacked they statrted developing impressive walls. Plus you are onyl able to get the epic walls in around 180 BC. That doesn't sound so bad.

Also another thing. During the late Empire (I supose you mean around 500 BC) Rome was in dissarray so they didn't really build anything new. They simply could not afford it after paying all the barbarians to stay out of gaul and italy.

**Ellesthyan** · 01-15-2005, 01:20

Originally Posted by Byzantine_Prince

Yes know it was sacked. But right after it was sacked they statrted developing impressive walls. Plus you are onyl able to get the epic walls in around 180 BC. That doesn't sound so bad.

Also another thing. During the late Empire (I supose you mean around 500 BC) Rome was in dissarray so they didn't really build anything new. They simply could not afford it after paying all the barbarians to stay out of gaul and italy.

Bull. If there was ever a time that the Empire saw need to build the most epic fortresses they could make, it would be in the late era. I point simply at the walls of Constantinople, and I assume I've said enough. You call yourself Byzantine_Prince, but I don't think that is appropiate.