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    Which 3 factions will be under control of the monks?

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    the monks will be replacing the romans.

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    May I just say that you are by far the best modeller/skinner I have ever seen hoggy.

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    I'm hoping to have the rebels and mercenaries made up of demon/special units dependant on region. eg. Ronin and Yakuza gangs in some areas others will be specialist neutral demon types. Kageka's Hanuman will be amongst these as will a number of surprise units so you never know what you'll come across or be able to hire for your army.

    Kageka - no gunpowder but there may be a special firelance unit for the Chinese if I can get it to work.

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    Sykotyk Rampage
    I read on the 'Blue Lotus dev team' that you will handle the music for the mod.
    Will you write your own music for the game? (that would be really cool). Or will you search for already writen traditional music for each faction? Maybe even borrow the music from Shogun?

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    Hi Kageka,

    It is being investigating the exact number of music/sound effect files to be replaced (and whether they can be).

    Music will be old traditional Asian. We will (depends on time constraints and the amount needed) create music specific to the game requirements from traditional instrument samples and what instruments are in my studio/friends.

    i.e. game intro, battle music, map screen, demons are coming, - so run because they are going to rip out your entrails and eat your first born, (which I will write from scratch just because they deserve it) etc

    We will also place new specific sound effects, Demon screams, and whatever else as needed and whether it is possible.

    SKR

    HARSH MUSIC FOR HARSH MINDS,
    ENVIRON-MENTAL SUITS NOT INCLUDED

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    Ok that sounds nice. Why I am asking is because I am a sucker for traditional asian music. I especially like mongolian music and tibetan music. I love throat singing, such a vivid and powerfull singing technique.

    The demon music, will it be a mix of different asian music cultures interpret in a dark and chaotic way? Or will it be something "never heard of before"? *curious*

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    ha.. i read Sykotyk as "sick-o-tick" instead of 'psychotic'.. i found that funny, thought i'd share.

    anyway, the mongolians should definitely get some throat singing music (tuvan singers are better than mongolians, imo). also, the instrumental music of throat-singing groups like huun-huur-tu, chirgilchin, etc would make for good campaign map music, imo.

    here are some samples of overtone singing:
    http://khoomei.com/spec.htm (click on the spectrograms)
    http://www.ubu.com/ethno/soundings/tuva.html (note: the descriptions are mixed up)
    http://khoomei.com/vids.htm (quicktime vids)

    here's a funny story read for kids i guess, but the music in the background is tuvan, no overtone singing (it's realaudio)
    http://www.scs-intl.com/trader/camel.ram

    just some info:
    http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~sjansson/throat.htm
    http://www.fotuva.org/index.html
    http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/.../mongolia.html
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Hi,

    Big John that is the funniest interpretation of Sykotyk, but it can be read like that. LOL

    Thanks for the links.

    Kageka
    The throat singing is amazing harmonics and reverberation, to have that ability is dynamic. It is an ability/style that numerous "tribal cultures" have. We have lost that ability/interest thanks/sadly to the invention of the MOOG/synth. I have samples, will it be used, I don't know, we are not that far yet.


    The demon music will be nothing heard before but with Asian influences/style. I am foregoing instruments. Unless the sounds of bones being smash, skulls as drums, fire, screams, unearthly moans, death chants, flesh being seared in a cacophony of rage counts. Of course all to a very nice 5/4 time.

    Really I don’t know yet, just not that far. But that is the direction I am leaning but it is up to Hoggy, Demon Lord, Master of the Abyss, and Eternal Guardian of the Blue Lotus. LOL

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    Huun-huur-tu plays wonderful music. I don't know the correct names of the musical instrument they use, but they seem to use som sort of violin, jew's harp, drum and some bell-like instruments. I will play as the Mongolian faction just for the music man.

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    The throat singing is amazing harmonics and reverberation, to have that ability is dynamic. It is an ability/style that numerous "tribal cultures" have. We have lost that ability/interest thanks/sadly to the invention of the MOOG/synth. I have samples, will it be used, I don't know, we are not that far yet.
    SAMPLES???

    You mean you're not going to learn how to do it yourself?

    That's weak, man.

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    seriously, i could khoomei in a day, kargyraa in about a week, and, well, my sygyt still needs work (but i don't really practice anymore ).

    kageka: the main instruments in tuvan music are the igil (a kind of fiddle with sympatheic strings), the doshpuluur (a 2-stringed lute that's strummed like a guitar), the byzaanchy (another fiddle with a permanently-looped bow), the khomuz (a mouth-harp, aka jew's-harp), and shaman drums (i don't know what those are called though).
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Sheep
    Hey man don't be so harsh . You don't learn how to write several different styles of traditional asian music just like that. I think it would be smart to actually interpret already made songs just to keep it authentic. It takes many years to master traditional music. So you can't crave him to create a set of unique song following the traditional rules and techniques of the displayed music culture.

    That's whatI think and believe. But I may be all wrong.

    No mather what I think that this mod will be incredible and fantastic.



    Sykotyk Rampage
    One question to Sykotyk Rampage: If there will be a Tibetan faction (it was mentioned before), how will you co-operate with the soaring sub-base monk chanting? Will the otherworthly voices act in the back drop (and therefor be sampled) or will you actually try to find som singer that master the technique?

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    Big John
    Thanks about the info.

    So you can actually throat-sing and use overtone/reverbation the way the steppe cultures' musicians does? I am imprest.

    Me my self have played yridaki/djalupu (aka didjeridu/didgeridoo) for about six years. I believe there is some resembelance (similar thinking) between didjeridu and throat-singing. Seem to work the same tone base, both are droning and captures several "different tones" at one.

    Know any site, book or such where I could studdy these techniques?

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    yeah, i can throat-sing kageka.. but it's mostly limited to imitation of tuvans, i'm not inventing any songs or anything. also, i'm not what you'd call skilled at it or anything

    overtone singing uses the same principle as didjeridoo, namely, to use a resonance chamber to create, well, overtones. the kargyraa style (also called chant style, b/c it's essentially what tibetan monks do also) of overtone singing bears the most resemblance to the didj. i played a didj a bit in college, but i didn't have the cheeks for circular breathing

    those "info" sites i posted (http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~sjansson/throat.htm, http://www.fotuva.org/index.html, http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j...6/mongolia.html) should have something regarding learning throat-singing.. i just learned by listening to CDs and trying to imitate it; works for some people i guess.

    check here:http://www.fotuva.org/music/theory.html

    EDIT: ha, i decided to prove it to you! yikes.mp3
    like i said, i'm not talented or anything!
    i think you have 72 hrs to hear the magnificence before it's deleted.
    Last edited by Big_John; 01-28-2005 at 20:37.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Well I think youre good , I haven't heard anyone doing it live/IRL. No but seriously, I find the technique good.

    Btw thanks for the links, Im going to try to learn the technique.

    I know the circular breathing and I think I can handle most of the basic techniques. Played live with my friends industrial/NIN-influenced band. That was a hoot

    Well Im not going to write more on this off-topic post I started *sorry guys*.
    Anyways, I hope the music and sounds will be as fantastic

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    How bout a zerg hydralisk for the monsters =P

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    OMGZERGRUSH!!!
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Hey Big John: Necessity is the mother of invention

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    So demon peasants = zerglings? I wonder if you can find a way to give them the adrenaline upgrade. Actually what always bothered me about SC was that hydralisks had those big claws, but never used them.

    All that aside, i am once again impressed by the scope and detail of this project. This is the first mod i've seen that actually wanted to entirely redo the music. Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kageka
    Sheep
    Hey man don't be so harsh . You don't learn how to write several different styles of traditional asian music just like that. I think it would be smart to actually interpret already made songs just to keep it authentic. It takes many years to master traditional music. So you can't crave him to create a set of unique song following the traditional rules and techniques of the displayed music culture.

    That's whatI think and believe. But I may be all wrong.
    You're not wrong. I just forgot to put the [/sarcasm] tag at the end, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burns
    Hey Big John: Necessity is the mother of invention
    i don't get it..
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    hey hoggy im not sure if youve seen this.
    Section Sea

    Theyve progressed quite a bit but theyre still pretty far from a final working version (if it works that is). Regardless i think it might be a good idea to keep an eye on this. Its looking pretty good.

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    sorry for the double post.

    Go to this link instead.

    It starts at the end but youll get the idea.

    Sea battles would be amazing if merlin can pull them off.

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    looks interesting, we'll have to keep an eye on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_John
    i don't get it..
    Well, there are several mothers of invention. They played with Zappa.
    If necessity is the mother of invention, then The Necessities are The Mothers of Invention. Then consider the term "bear necessities". They who bear necessities must be the mothers thereof. If these are The Inventions, of whom I have never heard (unless they are pieces by Bach) then I'm really far out. Family relations can be complex these days. "I'm my own grampaw" as someone is known to have sung. However it's the constipational right of every citizen wristwatch owner to keep and arm bears. How true that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheep
    I think the ruling family should be demons, and leadership changes could be explained as a powerful demon (the faction 'heir') killing off the current ruler and usurping his power.

    So instead of the dialog box popping up to tell you your faction leader had died, it would say that a new leader had seized power. Is there a way to make this message different for the demon faction than the human factions which I assume would have normal ruling families?
    I'm looking forward to trying a bit of scripting...
    Say.. the leader demon should be the one with highest stars or influence(=evil?)

    at end of turn
    if some demon is more kick-ass than leader then
    kill current leader
    appoint new leader
    display message about leader-change.
    perhaps spawn new family member
    else all-righty, then

    Not sure if I'm able to "loop through" the characters to check who's the baddest..
    There is an attribute to make a character live forever, I think. Not sure if this goes for combat as well as old age etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Peru
    Well, there are several mothers of invention. They played with Zappa.
    If necessity is the mother of invention, then The Necessities are The Mothers of Invention. Then consider the term "bear necessities". They who bear necessities must be the mothers thereof. If these are The Inventions, of whom I have never heard (unless they are pieces by Bach) then I'm really far out. Family relations can be complex these days. "I'm my own grampaw" as someone is known to have sung. However it's the constipational right of every citizen wristwatch owner to keep and arm bears. How true that is.
    oh ok, i get it now.. you're dead wrong, btw.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_John
    oh ok, i get it now.. you're dead wrong, btw.
    I suspected as much.
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    hi hoggy and team,

    firstly, i must say excellent work!!!

    my suggestion is that there be a vietnam faction occupying ithe indochina region. They could be vassels of the china faction, as Han china did rule over vietnam for like 1000 years. their culture and units, etc, would be very similar to chinese culture and units (due to the 1000 years of chinese rule) except for the fact that they used war elephants.

    thats all, again, great work guys

    cheers,
    dark_shadow89

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