Army Lists

**Gubook Janggoon** · 06-05-2005, 02:03

http://world.kbs.co.kr/src/images/ak...k/050530_l.jpg
http://haenara.net/bbs/zboard/data/h...rea_02_72p.jpg

I also wanted to bring this Goguryeoan wall mural to attention.

http://img9.exs.cx/img9/1281/0175_2.jpg

In it one can see both Archers/Crossbowmen and Axemen.

The Archers are wearing the black hats, different from the Amish style hats of Joseon, and have armor. On the other hand the Axemen wear red hats and have no armor.

**Gubook Janggoon** · 06-05-2005, 02:11

**eouia** · 06-07-2005, 22:36

Well, its great work this mod, i've seen. I can hardly wait the mod releasing.
anyway, have you some time for more Korean information?

1. Symbol
The ancient Korean respect some supernatural subjects.

The Sky - It is holded in common on Manchu-Siberian. the origin of Korean race(called "Han" race) came from there. many traditional cultures of Northern Asia(Manchu, Mongol, Siberia) are similiar with each other. frankly, Korean is more akin to Mongolian than Chinese. The Sky is equivalent to The GOD. it is not Creator, but Harmonizer. The old tale tell us that the first Korean people came from the Sky.

The BongHwang(Phoenix) - The Imaginary symbol of Chinese is the Dragon. But them of Korean are Birds. The BongHwang is one of them. "Bong" means King of birds, "Hwang" means Queen. The Ancient Han-race use this for their symbol.

The SamJokOh(tripod-crow) - Another bird symbol. The crow with tripod means Sun. or an envoy of gods. GoGuRyo Kingdom use this symbol.
I think this is the best symbol for this mod. it's artistic design can't be out-of-fashioned. you can see it below.
http://www.hsdu.ac.kr/01_about/img/p5_04.gif
http://ekee.nafeel.net/pattern/bird/img/bird06.jpg
http://www.asadal.com/company/asadal...logo_img01.gif
(I don't know why JFA-Japan Football Association use this their symbol.

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another symbols:
the Tiger is always friendly animal with Korean.
the Blue-Red TaeGuk(Taichi, Yin-Yang) is relatively modern symbol used after 19c.
White is symbolic color of Korean.

2. Strategy & Arms
The major weapon of Korean is the bow. From beginning to the end, the bow is domestic. "DongYi", other name of Han-race called by Chinese means "Eastern Great Bow-man". yes, Korean is a natural-born archer.
Less plain, more forests and mountains make battle strategy of Han race restricted. Carvalry is difficult to use. Heavy Armor? its non-sense.

well, there is no rule without execption. "GaeMa Carvalry" is it. The GoGuRyo Empire had great iron covering carvalries. they command the Continent. but you must know this. GoGuRyo was not settled on Han-penninsular. they ruled Manchu - the great plain of northern Asia.

except "GaeMa", many of korean soldiers used bow and spear for their primary weapon.

sword or knife are rared. most soldiers are not standing army. they had no time for learning swordmanship. the spear is easy to learn. and it is effective in melee.
"DangPa" is the most basic weapon for ChoSeon Dynasty Infantry. it is a kind of trident. it is two handed weapon. so they can't use shields.
http://www.ohmynews.com/down/images/1/bluekb_161058_6[225566].jpg

"JangChangDang(Long-Spear-Party)" is Korean Hoplite(?). its usage is similiar with those of Spartan. the infantry of Shilla use this Long-Spear for stopping charge of carvalry. the length of spear is about 4m 80cm. they stop the charge, and make to fall the enemy riders down. then, the axe-man attack the fallen riders.

most soldiers had light armor - cloths, leather. on Korean topographical condition, heavy armor is uncomfortable. after long-ranged arrow shotting, fast charge and hit is the capital offensive strategy. on deffensive, they use covering. like mountain, forests, castle, fortress. so, there is no need for shields or heavy armor.

I think Korean bowmen is analogous to English Long-Bowmen. The range of Korean Bow is above 150m. maximum is 500m. it might be terrific for their enemy. many generals who had invaded to Korea are killed by arrow, not sword.

The Officers had the sword. but it was not for melee. it was used for commanding or self-protection. the principal majors of officer training were horse-riding and archery. even civillians trained archery. they believe it should be good at mental training.
so, light carvalry armed with bow. the horseback archery was most important skill for carvalry. After GoGuRyo, heavy carvalry is not used any more.

Officers weared cloth or leather armor for activity. Generals weared Studded Leather Armor, Scale Male, Brigandine Armor. Heml was also.

Rockets and Powder is another power of Korean. When Japanese developed musketguns, Korean developed cannons.
The granade was used in late 14c.
"ShinGiJeon(Mystic-Arrows)" is definitely very interesting weapon. it is old version of nowadays MLRS. with power of powder, multi-big rockets(lenght about 140cm) are shot automatically. the range is about 1000m. it was invented by in 1448. it is the oldest rocket weapon in the world.
http://bingoimage.naver.com/data/bin...olove20_33.jpg
http://bingoimage.naver.com/data2/bi...8/fhdps_24.jpg

"HwaRang"s are not soldiers. they are similiar with "Boy-Scouts". they learn and train for future honor. most of them are son of nobles. so they respect honor and loyalty. if it shall come in this mod, it is good to describe them like light cavalries or junior chivalries.

oops. too long. sorry for my poor English. I hope this useful for more fantastic BL.
i hope to tell you more about real historic Korean war-heroes soon.
have a nice day.

**Kageka** · 06-09-2005, 19:37

Eouia

Cool and interesting facts about ancient/medieval Korean warfare and spirituality.

But you got to have in mind that this mod ain't a historical mod (atleast I have understand it that way). Blue Lotus is rather a myth-based fantasy-mod based on Asian cultures and mythologies.

This gives Hoggy & Co freedom to alter things, meaning that the Choson (Korean faction) doesn't have to follow one single historical time-period by the numbers. They can add and withdraw attributes to make the faction more interesting and diverse.

Guess you already figured that out but I had to say it anyway.

I personally like the idea of commanding Goguryo-based Heavy Cavalry with full body platemail armor and plate turtleneck armor. This combined with robe wearing archers with hats and so on...

A faction with two extremes (we have heavy armored melee cavalry and the we got different types of light/non armored infantry mainly focused on archery) and no real allround units would be interesting and "unique".

It may not be historically correct but it will look good and really give Choson a distinct look that doesn't reminds of the two Chinese factions.

**eouia** · 06-10-2005, 06:05

Here is an interesting article for Korean military-arts. (nice pictures are on the link.)
http://ohmynews.com/articleview/arti...60856&ar_seq=2

The traditional Korean Military-Arts show is going on everyday in "Hwa Castle", Suwon, Korea.

"MuYe 24Gi"(The 24 Skills of Military-Arts) was arragned on AD.1790.(in era of King JeongJo, ChoSeon Dynasty)
Officers of Army had to study those. the skills are composed with variable weapons or physical masterys. u can see the English description of those from here
http://www1.suwon.ac.kr/~bluekb/martial.html