Army Lists

[hoggy]

********************WARNING: This thread is outdated**********************
(Nonetheless, it give a very good and comprehensive overview of Hoggy's awesome works)


Japanese Army List

Infantry
Ashigaru
Yari Samurai
Naginata
Samurai Infantry
No-Dachi Heavy Samurai
Samurai Archers
Sohei Monks
Mighty Swordsmen
Kamikaze
Hero Ronin
Hero: Tomoe Gozen

Cavalry
Samurai Cavalry
Yari Cavalry
Samurai Horse Archers
Samurai Heavy Cavalry


Concepts

[hoggy]

Chinese Army list

Infantry
Peasants
Light Spearmen
Heavy Spearmen
Imperial Guard
Mace Infantry
Imperial Archers
Cho Ku No (Repeating Crossbowmen)
Shaolin Monks
Elite Imperial Guard
Tibettan infantry
Hero: Hong Shue Fei
Hero: Jian Sheng

Cavalry
Imperial Cavalry
Bactrian Archers
Light Chariot
Elite Archers/Scouts
Guan Yu cavalry

Special Units
Leopards
Fire lances (possibly)




Officers etc:

[hoggy]

Demon Army list

Infantry
Basket Demon Ronin
Undead Samurai
Zombie ashigaru
Rokurokubi
Ghost Geisha Fighters
Bakemono
Kappa Archers
Hanya
Noh Demons
Shreeking Hags
Snow Monkey Infantry
Wang Liang
4 arm warrior

Cavalry
Shishi Riders
Camel riding demons
Kappa Elephants
Beast Riders

Special Units
Bronze Dragon (with palanquin)





Officers

[hoggy]

Indian Army list

Infantry
Peasant Infantry (loin cloth, buckler and scimitar)
Krishnapur Swordsmen (ornate turban scimitar and shield)
Krishnapur Guard (ornate turban spear and shield)
Chakra Infantry
Golden warriors (ornate gold helmet early cone style)
Golden archers (ornate gold helmet early cone style)
Fanatic Tribesmen (dreadlocked with loincloth and club)

Cavalry
Horse Archers/Scouts
Krishnapur Lancers (ornate turban spear and shield)
Arjuna Chariots (ornate gold helmet early cone style after hero Arjuna)
Elephant Archers
War Elephants
Royal Elephants (ornate white elephant with minaret palanquin)

Special Units
Tigers

[hoggy]

Monk Army:

Infantry
Sohei monks
Shaolin Monks
Masters

Cavalry
Cavalry Monks

Leaders
Officer
Shrine standard

[hoggy]

Mongol Army:

Infantry
Khanate warrior
Khanate Archer
Khanate Spears

Cavalry
Khanate Elite Cavalry archers
Khanate Cavalry

Leaders
Officer

Korean Army:

Infantry
Hwrang
Choson Elite Archers
Choson spears
Choson Warriors
Choson Infantry
Choson Firelancers

Cavalry
Goguryo Cavalry
Choson Scout Cavalry

[Gubook Janggoon]

Found this bugger too.

[Kageka]

DragoonXXIV

"Frankly i think the Chinese faction has too many units, but that's just me, also the 4 other spearman units they have, have a clear hierarchy (kindly like the pike hierarchy in vanilla R:TW). None of them have clear differences or markings as specialists units, but the tibetans do. If anything i think the regular spearman should be kicked."

Ok we seem to agree on the part that there are to many units in the Chinese faction. But we disagree on the part on what unit that should be "ditched".
I still find the Tibetan Infantry not a wathertight Chinese faction unit, still think it would fit better as a Monk faction unit.


"As for the name... I guess it's just a matter of opinion, however you can't say there isn't a Tibet in Blue Lotus, even though the mod is original and mythological it does have very clear parallels in real history. What i mean is, using your same argument they should rename Samurai, Sohei, Shaolin, Krishnapur, Hwarang-Do, etc. because these are very specific names and titles."

Yes ofcourse I can see that the mod has clear parallels to our world, but it isn't our world. And it is a difference in calling a japanese looking warrior Samurai than calling a unit by its geographical name. I mean Samurai, Sohei, Shaolin doesn't refer to a country/nation from our world, but Tibetan does (referring to Tibet).

Lets take an other example by comparing with some more or less medieval european fantasy world. They can include knights, paladins, barbarians, druids, crusaders etc. and still not clash with our world. But if they include English Bowmen, Gauls, Germans, Roman legioneers, Norse Vikings etc. then they have referred to countries/nations/people from our world. It sounds strange since England, Gaul, Germania, Rome or Norway doesn't exist in that world with its own countries/nations/people.

But if the world of Blue Lotus is in fact the same as our world then there is no problem if some units refer to countries/nations/people from our world.


"Anyway that's just my opinion. This is Hoggy's mod, and since I'am not paying for it, i can't complain. I can suggest things and argue complaints, but i can't complain."

I fully agree with you here (for my own account as well). I'am just suggesting things and present ideas that Hoggy & Co may find useful in some way. But in the end I have nothing to say that can change things since it isn't my mod. And like you I don't complain. What is ithere to complain about? This mod has fantastic graphics and models (looks better than the original ones in RTW), it is original and has really interesting factions and armies to choose between.

[Gubook Janggoon]

I was thinking about Korean standards and though...

Hm..how about the Korean war drum? Here are some pics.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/content/fea...koreandrum.jpg
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/content/fea...r072503_04.jpg

[Gubook Janggoon]

I've also been thinking about gunpowder. I know you don't want it in the game, but I'm going to push this anyways.

This is the Shingicheon Hwacha

http://img9.exs.cx/img9/7876/hwacha.jpg

It basically shoots arrows so it's not like cannon balls or anything. The way I see it, it's like a massive Firelance. Just a thought.

[Gubook Janggoon]

more of my spamming

http://www.ohmynews.com/down/images/...B217109%5D.jpg
http://www.ohmynews.com/down/images/...B217106%5D.jpg
http://img.hani.co.kr/section-kisa/2...0909526_58.jpg

[Gubook Janggoon]

Sea kingdom?

Only thing I can think of is the Dragon King who ruled the seas.

[Chilly5]

yah, so wats wrong with the the sea kings, hm . . . in xi-you-ji the sea was divided into 4 kingdoms, north/east/south/west, i think one of them was the "head" if u havent resloved ur roman-senate overhaul, prehaps this would be a good alternative? but then, that would focus on the sea kingdom too much, this is supposed to focus on japan right? prehaps there should be a sea kingdom, and if u still have faction space- a "heaven" kingdom? prehaps control the middle or northmost part of the map? they would be like the opposite or demons, hell has gone loose and heaven is trying to contain it, they might be a the northmost of the map and have many wars with the demons, military consists of a combination of all the heaven mythologies of all the human faction portryed in this mod. but this is ur mod, wat do u think? (wait, whos mod? hoggy? u reading this? *is lost*)

[Gubook Janggoon]

As of now I think hoggy is tryin to concentrate on finishing up what we have slated for now (Which is monumental as it is).

When the project is finished up though, Hoggy has infered that he will think about adding to it.

Quite personally, rather than seeing more fantastic factions, i would rather see the beefing up of the Mongols and the Koreans.

[Chilly5]

cant u do both?

[The Panda Centurion]

I have to say that i find the idea of a "water" faction, in other words, a faction of fish-men, very unattractive. If there are fish-men, then they will most likely be a part of the demon army or mercenaries, which is much more believable than having an Atlantis spring up in Thailand and spurt out nonsensical armies. The idea harks back too much to games like the Legend of Zelda (certainly a great game, but not one that hoggy is trying to emulate, i think). The idea is too elemental and uninteresting for the setting hoggy is trying to create in Blue Lotus. Like Gubook, i would like to see more work on the human factions, particularly the Mongols and Koreans. I am not demanding that hoggy do this, however, i am only voicing my desires. Keep up the wonderful work hoggy.

- Panda

[Captain-Tiguris]

Perhaps for rebels, more tribesman. This may give the fact that they have left the towns/settlements/cities and took arms. Crude weapons, crude armour and a dirty look.

Or even a new tribe for a faction?
I would be happy to help there

[Chilly5]

well, it is called 'blue lotus' blue being the elemental color of water and lotus being a water living plant, it symbolizes something aquatic, i guess thats the only comeback i can make, personally, a asian oceanic faction in thailand gives me thrills, or a heaven army . . . but alas my dreams, nothing more.

as for the person who last posted above me: are u suggesting a barbarian faction? more like a neadrethal faction, dirty people with forks lol, but i think i'm getting mixed up.

[Gubook Janggoon]

I think the monks represent the "HOLY" faction.

[Chilly5]

ah . . . . but they arnt the "heaven" faction now are they? or at least they arnt close enough to the demons to strike a large scale war.

[The Panda Centurion]

The whole point of the mod is that the warring human factions (just human, no monsters or dragons or whatnot) must settle their differences (possibly) and unite against the demon forces to push them out of the world. Blue Lotus is not about two magical factions (black and white, good and evil) fighting each other. Why do you think that hoggy took the trouble to make the human factions, if they were just going to be in the background while the demons and "angels", so to speak, duke it out?

- Panda

[Chilly5]

oh, sorry didnt know that . . . . so its humans vs demons . . . . ok, well, then should there be more than one demon faction?

[The Panda Centurion]

That's an idea I was thinking about as well, but i think that hoggy has his mind set about what the factions will be. I'm happy with the final setup though.

[Ferocious_Imbecile]

Hoggy, some questions about your drawings;


When you're drawing your horses, do you draw them from photo models or are they entirely from your imagination?

Also, what do you do for a living? Are you a professional artist? Frankly you're a lot better artist than some ofthe artists I see here in Vancouver that are making $60,000+ a year...

Have you produced any paintings as works of art in themselves? If so, could you post some of them please?

[hoggy]

I normally try to draw them myself but if i get stuck I'll look for a photo for reference, I've never been very good at horses. I'm a games artist so i mostly work in 3D and don't have any paintings or anything like that really. Mostly I just concept what I'm going to build as it gives me some thinking time. Time to plan the model and work out details etc. $60K sounds good but a little out of my league

[Sykotyk Rampage]

60,000 Canadian dollars are 24,967.76 pounds
your worth more than that Hoggy and a cost of living allowance and a new computer and a snazzy car, nice house, garden, yearly supply of pints, a graumbacher pen and ink set with inlaid pearl handles, a french maid -yes in the black and white uniform, toast and tea at 4, a jaccuzzi with the mandatory martini bar and live band that plays what ever you need at the time, limousine service to the airport where your jet waits to take you to the coast of spain for a holiday that you get every second week and twice on sundays with the swedish swim team and when your over worked and stressed from drawing and sketching and clicking the mouse your shoulders are massaged into a warmth and relaxed state by twins named Cassie and Veronica but I digress................but really you should at least have the free beer

SKR

[DragoonXXIV]

...but really you should at least have the free beer

here, here. I'd gladdy buy hoggy a round if i ever meet him.

[Chilly5]

hey . . . .here's another idea, i dont know if this is being made . . . but prehaps you should make terracotta units . . . . like terracotta soldiers for china . . . a thing for them to defend them from the demons (like in real life) or terracotta infantry for demons, cause they look alike. prehaps as rebels in-between china and demons . . . . maybe they even have enough units (terracotta cavalry,infantry,chariots,archers etc) to make a mini-faction themselves! but i think you guys are too busy to make another mini-faction but terracotta units? or are you already planning to make these?

[Ferocious_Imbecile]

I normally try to draw them myself but if i get stuck I'll look for a photo for reference, I've never been very good at horses. I'm a games artist so i mostly work in 3D and don't have any paintings or anything like that really. Mostly I just concept what I'm going to build as it gives me some thinking time. Time to plan the model and work out details etc. $60K sounds good but a little out of my league

"I've never been very good at horses." :lol:

We all beg to disagree...

CA should hire you to do horses alone, if nothing else..

[DragoonXXIV]

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