Historical battles

**cegorach** · 02-10-2005, 13:48

Originally Posted by Lord Havelock Vetinari

Breitenfeld 1632 Sweden + Saxony vs The Imperial Army.
Warzaw 1656 Sweden vs Poland

I was planning Warsaw 1656, but need more info about swedish forces. I will make it playable from swedish point of view.

**Lord Havelock Vetinari** · 02-10-2005, 14:27

Nice... I'll try to dig up some info about the swedish forces.

**Lord Havelock Vetinari** · 02-10-2005, 19:41

There are some pictures in this thread showing the swedish order of battle. (I don't know which day they show, i guess your battle will cover the 2nd day)

http://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?t=18324

**cegorach** · 02-13-2005, 12:51

I have it from polish sources.

I need:
1. which units of dragons were mounted and which dismounted,
2. which units were native Swedish/Finnish - from infantry,
3. which units can be considered as elite ones/vetrans,
4. where was finnish cavalry ( Hakkapeliita),
5. firstnames of these commanders,
6. were Radiwill dragoons Poles/Lithuanians or western mercenaries,
7. exact number of troopers in each unit - if possible - when I re-created Klushino I had almost excellent sources which resulted in extremely realistic polish order of battle ( 1 soldier in mod = 5 in reality - except cannon crew).

This would be enough.

Regards Cegorach

**Lord Havelock Vetinari** · 02-13-2005, 14:01

I'll try to find out the facts you need. One question though; which commanders do you need to know the first names of?

**Lord Havelock Vetinari** · 02-13-2005, 14:05

Radziwill's dragoons were either poles/lithuanians who fought using western tactics or western mercenaries. So they should be represented by a western european kind of unit.

**Lord Havelock Vetinari** · 02-13-2005, 14:17

The exact number of troops in each unit is unfortunately unknown. Together the armies of brandenburg and sweden numbered about 18 000 men.

You can see which units were from finland on the picture in the tread I posted a link to. They were positioned out on the left flank. (Finowie Berendsa= fins under command of Berend and Dragonia Finowie= dragoons from finland)

One note: this version of the order of battle (see link) comes from brandenburg. According to the swedish version the swedish infantry were grouped together with the germans in the centre.