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    Default Re: Some constructive suggestions on units and other ;)

    Hellenes i'm not saying you're completely wrong on the issue of Macedon being greek. I agree that MAcedon is greek. That wasn't my argument. I am an Epirote after all, I know who is greek more then most people.

    But in the game it is not convinient to have 4 more factions for greece. Also if you go the other way and give macedon to greek_cities then you can't have war between the two(which would be historically accurate) since they would be one.

    I think Epirus should have it's own kingdom but Im biased, lol . After all we DID invade and conquer Macedon and Aetolia and parts of southern greece. Also we almost destroyed Roma. That, I think deserves some respect. Again me=biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine_Prince
    Hellenes i'm not saying you're completely wrong on the issue of Macedon being greek. I agree that MAcedon is greek. That wasn't my argument. I am an Epirote after all, I know who is greek more then most people.

    But in the game it is not convinient to have 4 more factions for greece. Also if you go the other way and give macedon to greek_cities then you can't have war between the two(which would be historically accurate) since they would be one.

    I think Epirus should have it's own kingdom but Im biased, lol . After all we DID invade and conquer Macedon and Aetolia and parts of southern greece. Also we almost destroyed Roma. That, I think deserves some respect. Again me=biased.
    You have to be a greek immigrant backround from Ipiros? Right? Well there were many greek factions that have been left out but i hope that the patch will decode the faction limit and we will have all the various factions depicted...

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    Well there were many greek factions that have been left out but i hope that the patch will decode the faction limit and we will have all the various factions depicted...
    That will take a long ass time to load if that hapens.

    BTW, if you want to fix the phalanx issue it's easy. All you have to do is open export_descr_unit.txt and use the Ctrl+F button to find the units you want changed and then find where it says phalanx and delete the word like so:

    type warband spear german
    dictionary warband_spear_german ; Spear Warband
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier warband_spearman_german, 60, 0, 1.2
    officer barb_standard
    officer barb_screeching_woman
    mount_effect horse +2, chariot +2, camel +2
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy
    formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
    stat_health 2, 0
    stat_pri 11, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
    stat_pri_attr spear
    stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 3, 3, 9, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 3
    stat_ground 2, -2, 3, 2
    stat_mental 9, impetuous, trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 350, 180, 60, 80, 510
    ownership germans

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    Default Re: Some constructive suggestions on units and other ;)

    Oh, well since we are on the topic of Hellenistic armies... here's my suggestion:

    I strongly recommend the introduction a melee worthy light infantry unit for all factions that depend on the phalanx. Ever since Alexander's time, the need for light infantry to complement the phalanx has been well known.

    As yet, the Seleucids are the only ones with a competent non-phalanx melee unit. I think the Macedonians should be allowed to train Thracian light infantrymen (not armed with falxes and with clothes!). For the Greeks I'm not too sure what to add. I mean, they were pretty die hard phalanx people and did not have a tradition for sword-armed infantry.
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    The simple fact about relations between Greeks and Macedonians is this:

    The Greeks thought of the Macedonians as barbarians, even though they were as advanced as the Greeks; the reason may be that the Macedonians had kings but this is debated. The Macedonians were, in truth, simply Greeks that stayed in the north when the original Greeks moved south into Greece.

    On another note, the reason the Greeks never conquered anything is because they were hopelessly disunited. Each little city-state fought each other little city-state and nothing that even resembled a unified effort of any kind was ever achieved. Sometimes, an especially powerful city-state (e.g Thebes, Sparta, Athens) would subjugate neighbouring cities and create a league; this happened more and more as time went on. At the time of the game, the largest and most powerful league in Greece was the Achaean League, which was centered on the north Peloponnese and lasted from around 280 BC to 146 BC, upon which it was conquered by the Romans in the Achaean War. In my opinion, the "Greek Cities" *shudders* should be renamed to the Achaean League.

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    Default Re: Some constructive suggestions on units and other ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by Turin
    Oh, well since we are on the topic of Hellenistic armies... here's my suggestion:

    I strongly recommend the introduction a melee worthy light infantry unit for all factions that depend on the phalanx. Ever since Alexander's time, the need for light infantry to complement the phalanx has been well known.

    As yet, the Seleucids are the only ones with a competent non-phalanx melee unit. I think the Macedonians should be allowed to train Thracian light infantrymen (not armed with falxes and with clothes!). For the Greeks I'm not too sure what to add. I mean, they were pretty die hard phalanx people and did not have a tradition for sword-armed infantry.
    Your wish has been granted. All Greek factions have more than one melee unit to complement the phalanx. As it was in history, it shall be so.
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    Default Re: Some constructive suggestions on units and other ;)

    Awesome!

    Will there be running phalanxes? I realize that this may interfere with something hardcoded but it's a thought.
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    Sorry for double posting, just thought of something else.

    Corinthian helmets. As much as I love SPQR mod, I hate the spamming of the corinthian.

    If knowledge serves me correctly, the famous corinthian helm was phased out by this time because of how uncomfortable it was and the fact that it seriously impeded hearing.
    I know it's a cool looking helm and it is symbol of those brave ancient Greeks, but I do not believe it to be appropriate for this period.

    On the subject of those Greeks... how are all you all thinking about doing the Spartans? And please, please do not give them the whole shinny gold armor that everyone mods their Spartans with. This is pretty inaccurate as the Spartans wore leather armor, sometimes they had the red cloak too. But never the gold, exposed breastplates. The helmet really should not be Corinthian either.

    IMHO the Greeks really got the short end of stick in vanilla. At least the barbarians were effective in a battle, the Greeks can't do jack on a battlefield.
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    Default Re: Some constructive suggestions on units and other ;)

    No, you are wrong. I actually have a picture of a sculpture of an epirote hellenisitic soldier with a corinthina helmet. Very few had it but still. It was definetly not fased out. I'm sure people will find more examples then that.

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