Until the patch is released, I am playing MTW!

[Old Celt]

Turbo,

Being critical of someone else is not "an attack". You were simply flat out whining that you don't like the game and whining in print to let the whole world know about it. I made perfectly valid points about why what you said was whining. You're right, this is a place for discussion. If you can't stand the heat, STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN!

The vast majority of gamers give RTW a score of 9/10. You complain that a bug allows archers to melee your cavalry to death. Well, did you know that cavalry is not designed to fight at a stand still? You can adjust your tactics to workaround the issue.

Your expectations for the game are unrealistically high. Corporations don't make money building free patches for software. Because of that fact, you can expect them to do the minimum of fixes possible to shut up their harshest (sane) critics, and not one bit more. The development team will be assigned to potentially moneymaking projects at the earliest possible moment, and probably already have finished this project.

I apologize for directing the remarks about the CTDs at you. I was responding to someone else on another forum, and somehow cut and pasted the wrong content from Notepad into the post in your thread. My mistake.

[MacBeth]

The vast vast majority of 'gamers' have just progressed from final fantasy and love the new RTW eye candy.

For those of us who have followed the series since STW we now have lots of gimmicks and less gameplay.

[Old Celt]

The vast vast majority of 'gamers' have just progressed from final fantasy and love the new RTW eye candy.

For those of us who have followed the series since STW we now have lots of gimmicks and less gameplay.

That's quite vague. Perhaps you could expand on that a bit? Do you think RTW is just unplayable because of its flaws, or what?

[Blitz]

I totally agree with Old Celt, i mean in your topic heading it says "Until the patch is released, I am playing MTW!". This already shows that you are gonna whine and say R:TW is not good and blah blah blah. It is not a discussion topic. A discussion topic will be different
i.e. Which one is better to guard the city and mantain garrison, cheap infantry or expensive infantry or others?

Thats what we call discussion. So if you say "Until the patch is released, I am playing MTW!" what are we going to discussed?

We are not going to discuss why you come out with that kind of conclusion and blah blah, so you pratically has lose the argument with Old Celt and your topic is just for people to share the feelings with you not discussing

No Hard Feelings

[Red Harvest]

Old Celt,

Take a look at the poll in the entrance hall for best TW series game. RTW is third in a field of three, pulling only 21% of the vote. Turbo is far from being in the minority on this. He is comfortably in the majority. Vanilla RTW doesn't have the staying power that vanilla MTW/STW had. I think/hope its faults can be addressed. It looks like it has potential to be the best of all three, or else I would have gone back to MTW already.

I wouldn't be playing RTW if I wasn't trying to mod it enough to understand the engine. I get hooked into troubleshooting, and RTW is ripe for troubleshooting. I've never modded stats in anything the way I've HAD to in RTW to get some satisfaction from it. I didn't do this to STW, MI, MTW, or VI.

[therother]

The Shogun has posted preliminary details about the forthcoming patch here. Looks pretty comprehensive, and addresses many issues. Hopefully it'll win over more TW veterans.

[Old Celt]

Red Harvest,

Your point is taken about the poll, but you have to consider that these data represent only a tiny proportion of the people who pay to buy and play the game. I never even heard of the other games in the series until RTW was being advertised. I respectfully wish to say that critical acclaim and GOTY awards are far more important than what a tiny proportion of hardcore critcs have to say.

If these people really believe RTW is third in a field of three, then they should go back to playing the other 2 and not rain on the parade of very enthusiastic players of RTW. If a majority of people thought the game sucked, I don't think it would be averaging 9/10 review scores, would it?

There are workarounds for most of the issues people complain about. Although some of them are dependent on player self control (i.e. multiple sallys on the same turn to missile your enemy into oblivion), for me and I dare say many other people, that doesn't make the game unplayable.

[therother]

There are workarounds for most of the issues people complain about. Although some of them are dependent on player self control (i.e. multiple sallys on the same turn to missile your enemy into oblivion).

Hopefully not for long. Version 1.2 will apparently only allow one sally per turn.

[Red Harvest]

Red Harvest,

I respectfully wish to say that critical acclaim and GOTY awards are far more important than what a tiny proportion of hardcore critcs have to say.

If these people really believe RTW is third in a field of three, then they should go back to playing the other 2 and not rain on the parade of very enthusiastic players of RTW. If a majority of people thought the game sucked, I don't think it would be averaging 9/10 review scores, would it?

I didn't say the majority said it sucked. I don't feel that it sucks. However, its gameplay is presently weaker than MTW and perhaps even STW. It has improvements in much of the graphics, and it has many new facets that are a leap forward, but it stepped backward in key areas (and in those areas pre-patch it sucks.)

The problem with reviews? They are usually about a 1 week period of game play. If the game is interesting for a week, the reviewer is happy. If the graphics are great and do things that have not been seen before, it is going to get a good review. Doesn't matter if interest fades quickly. MTW/STW had staying power. Reviews don't matter to me once I've played a game myself... "If all your friends jumped off of a bridge would you jump off the bridge too?"

Another thing about reviews...what to they have for comparison? A bunch of RTS clones.

Reminds me of motherboard/graphics card reviews, where everyone falls all over themselves giving a good review to the latest high end beast. After all the enticing reviews, you buy the board or card and start finding out about its quirks. The reviewers rarely have the gear long enough to do anything meaningful. Just a bunch of benchmarks.

There are workarounds for most of the issues people complain about.

No, there are not. Now hopefully most of the worst will be patched, but it all stands on the quality of the AI. If the AI can't give the vets a decent game, there is not all that much that can be done to fix it. Mods can fix balance, they can give historical accuracy or variety. Mods don't rebuild the AI, only tweak it, or play to its strengths at best.

[Turbo]

Turbo,

Being critical of someone else is not "an attack". You were simply flat out whining that you don't like the game and whining in print to let the whole world know about it. I made perfectly valid points about why what you said was whining. You're right, this is a place for discussion. If you can't stand the heat, STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN!

The vast majority of gamers give RTW a score of 9/10. You complain that a bug allows archers to melee your cavalry to death. Well, did you know that cavalry is not designed to fight at a stand still? You can adjust your tactics to workaround the issue.

Your expectations for the game are unrealistically high. Corporations don't make money building free patches for software. Because of that fact, you can expect them to do the minimum of fixes possible to shut up their harshest (sane) critics, and not one bit more. The development team will be assigned to potentially moneymaking projects at the earliest possible moment, and probably already have finished this project.

I apologize for directing the remarks about the CTDs at you. I was responding to someone else on another forum, and somehow cut and pasted the wrong content from Notepad into the post in your thread. My mistake.

Interesting how critizing RTW brings out the "whinning" accusation and the childish insults. Seriously, grow up! If you are so tired of hearing "whinning" then why are you in this thread? Sounds like you came in to whine about whinners.

[Old Celt]

Turbo,

Are you just a glutton for punishment or what? You will find no case in any of my remarks of me insulting you. If you choose to take what I say as an insult, that's your problem.

Did it occur to you that since this is a forum on RTW, that by and large the people here would really like the game? So if you don't like it, should you be surprised when people who do tell you to go poop in your hat?

You are the one who needs to show some maturity. Your post was trolling and now you don't like that someone called you on it. Too bad. If you have anything to add to this debate that actually involves game play, I'd like to hear it. If you don't, then I think you should be true to your word, stop posting here and go play MTW to console yourself.

[Turbo]

Turbo,

Are you just a glutton for punishment or what? You will find no case in any of my remarks of me insulting you. If you choose to take what I say as an insult, that's your problem.

Did it occur to you that since this is a forum on RTW, that by and large the people here would really like the game? So if you don't like it, should you be surprised when people who do tell you to go poop in your hat?

You are the one who needs to show some maturity. Your post was trolling and now you don't like that someone called you on it. Too bad. If you have anything to add to this debate that actually involves game play, I'd like to hear it. If you don't, then I think you should be true to your word, stop posting here and go play MTW to console yourself.

Whatever dude. This isn't worth my time replying to.

[Khorak]

Ok you two. Stand back to back, take ten steps, turn, and raise handbags. First one to drop their bag and start squealing loses.

[ChaosLord]

I always think its funny when people say MTW is better then RTW, when vanilla MTW is as easy/easier then RTW. I mean I hadn't played STW before when I got MTW, by my third game(didn't finish the first two, just tested stuff) I was winning easily on expert. The mass peasant/spearmen/archer armies of the AI were a joke, and easily overrun by yours. You could also easily setup a trade network and make much more then larger AI nations.

It wasn't until VI and some of the better mods that the game even got moderately difficult. (Thank you MedMod) The only main difference would be how the AI handles sieging(something it didn't do that well in MTW either, but it happens more often in RTW). And of course the suicidal generals, who die like flies compared to the jedi generals MTW produced. But anyway, just my gripe. If you want something to keep you occupied till the patch comes out, get RTR 5.1. I'd say its the best mod out for RTW right now, and can keep your game interesting/difficult.

[Zharakov]

I feel MTW had better unit equality. But RTW has better graphics and more indepth gameing.

I don't like RTW because I feel like the Urban Cohort is a master unit. It really is so unstopable that a trained chimp with no tactical ability could win with it.

I have evean seen them beat ELEPHANTS!?!


But other then that RTW is a good game that will get better with time...