Until the patch is released, I am playing MTW!

[Blitz]

I totally agree with Old Celt, i mean in your topic heading it says "Until the patch is released, I am playing MTW!". This already shows that you are gonna whine and say R:TW is not good and blah blah blah. It is not a discussion topic. A discussion topic will be different
i.e. Which one is better to guard the city and mantain garrison, cheap infantry or expensive infantry or others?

Thats what we call discussion. So if you say "Until the patch is released, I am playing MTW!" what are we going to discussed?

We are not going to discuss why you come out with that kind of conclusion and blah blah, so you pratically has lose the argument with Old Celt and your topic is just for people to share the feelings with you not discussing

No Hard Feelings

[Red Harvest]

Old Celt,

Take a look at the poll in the entrance hall for best TW series game. RTW is third in a field of three, pulling only 21% of the vote. Turbo is far from being in the minority on this. He is comfortably in the majority. Vanilla RTW doesn't have the staying power that vanilla MTW/STW had. I think/hope its faults can be addressed. It looks like it has potential to be the best of all three, or else I would have gone back to MTW already.

I wouldn't be playing RTW if I wasn't trying to mod it enough to understand the engine. I get hooked into troubleshooting, and RTW is ripe for troubleshooting. I've never modded stats in anything the way I've HAD to in RTW to get some satisfaction from it. I didn't do this to STW, MI, MTW, or VI.

[therother]

The Shogun has posted preliminary details about the forthcoming patch here. Looks pretty comprehensive, and addresses many issues. Hopefully it'll win over more TW veterans.

[Old Celt]

Red Harvest,

Your point is taken about the poll, but you have to consider that these data represent only a tiny proportion of the people who pay to buy and play the game. I never even heard of the other games in the series until RTW was being advertised. I respectfully wish to say that critical acclaim and GOTY awards are far more important than what a tiny proportion of hardcore critcs have to say.

If these people really believe RTW is third in a field of three, then they should go back to playing the other 2 and not rain on the parade of very enthusiastic players of RTW. If a majority of people thought the game sucked, I don't think it would be averaging 9/10 review scores, would it?

There are workarounds for most of the issues people complain about. Although some of them are dependent on player self control (i.e. multiple sallys on the same turn to missile your enemy into oblivion), for me and I dare say many other people, that doesn't make the game unplayable.

[therother]

There are workarounds for most of the issues people complain about. Although some of them are dependent on player self control (i.e. multiple sallys on the same turn to missile your enemy into oblivion).

Hopefully not for long. Version 1.2 will apparently only allow one sally per turn.

[Red Harvest]

Red Harvest,

I respectfully wish to say that critical acclaim and GOTY awards are far more important than what a tiny proportion of hardcore critcs have to say.

If these people really believe RTW is third in a field of three, then they should go back to playing the other 2 and not rain on the parade of very enthusiastic players of RTW. If a majority of people thought the game sucked, I don't think it would be averaging 9/10 review scores, would it?

I didn't say the majority said it sucked. I don't feel that it sucks. However, its gameplay is presently weaker than MTW and perhaps even STW. It has improvements in much of the graphics, and it has many new facets that are a leap forward, but it stepped backward in key areas (and in those areas pre-patch it sucks.)

The problem with reviews? They are usually about a 1 week period of game play. If the game is interesting for a week, the reviewer is happy. If the graphics are great and do things that have not been seen before, it is going to get a good review. Doesn't matter if interest fades quickly. MTW/STW had staying power. Reviews don't matter to me once I've played a game myself... "If all your friends jumped off of a bridge would you jump off the bridge too?"

Another thing about reviews...what to they have for comparison? A bunch of RTS clones.

Reminds me of motherboard/graphics card reviews, where everyone falls all over themselves giving a good review to the latest high end beast. After all the enticing reviews, you buy the board or card and start finding out about its quirks. The reviewers rarely have the gear long enough to do anything meaningful. Just a bunch of benchmarks.

There are workarounds for most of the issues people complain about.

No, there are not. Now hopefully most of the worst will be patched, but it all stands on the quality of the AI. If the AI can't give the vets a decent game, there is not all that much that can be done to fix it. Mods can fix balance, they can give historical accuracy or variety. Mods don't rebuild the AI, only tweak it, or play to its strengths at best.

[caspian]

What's missing in RWT for me.

1. The battlefied's AI: how you really have to sometimes come up with different tactics other than charge and flank. And RTW units are (for me) somewhat dull, no uber cool units like Varangian Guards, Hashishins, Johms Vikings (I miss this bastards!)... I dont know, I just dont get exited when I train Chosen Swordsmen, Druids, even War Elephants.

2. The tension the campaign map/board generates. Like when you stack your border provinces with troops and the enemy does the same thing and you cant attack yet for fear of leaving another province open for yet another faction. Its like you're always on the verge of a battle. I miss that BIG TIME! But the RTW map is more true to the real thing but there's still something missing.

[AquaLurker]

Hi people,

In terms of tactical game plays and challenge, I don't get as much satisfaction as I had when playing MTW and STW. I am not really sure if it is because of inferior AI tactics because the AI of these games approach the battlefield in the same manner and attack in the same manner.

I think the problem lies in the fact that the AI doesn't have enough quality troops and generals to give us a tough time in the field not to mention that player controlled characters get their stars too easily and quickly. As THE SHOGUN had metioned, this part of the game will be addressed. Same goes for the stratagies of the AI in the campaign map.

What I feel is that RTW has more superior gameplay features than the previous TW series but can definately be refined and improved. We just had to hope that CA will refined the AI strategies in the game and fixed all the critical bugs.

Let us just cross our fingers and toes and hope for the best!