Justification and Calls to Kill Americans

**Devastatin Dave** · 01-31-2005, 00:09

Oops, i said hate-filled propaganda, I meant happy, free loving, cute little puppy filled propaganda. Sorry about that...

**doc_bean** · 01-31-2005, 00:21

Can't we keep backroom fights in the backroom ?

I'd say anyone has the right to express their opinion, that doesn't mean anyone else has to actually read it.

**A.Saturnus** · 01-31-2005, 00:39

If this had been in the Backroom I´d know of it.

**PanzerJaeger** · 01-31-2005, 00:44

This was in the monestary.

I just want to say that while i may be being thin-skinned here, i dont expect everyone to say nice things about america. I dont care if people say that americas foriegn policy is bad or even that america is bad. I wouldnt even mind if someone said americas foreign policy led to 9/11.

These posts crossed a line though, to me at least. They went beyond critical analysis and into the realm of justification for a horrible act.

I just want the mods to realize that those statements are just as offensive to some here as curse words or personal attacks, ect.

**IrishMike** · 01-31-2005, 01:05

I find this very disturbing and quite unsetteling to think that some people actually believe that other nations deserve terrorism. No nation on earth, not even if their your sworn enemy, deserves terrorism or any violent activities like terrorism. The slaughter of innocents in a non war time situation is never, never warrented or deserved.

**Devastatin Dave** · 01-31-2005, 01:08

Originally Posted by ColdKnight

I find this very disturbing and quite unsetteling to think that some people actually believe that other nations deserve terrorism. No nation on earth, not even if their your sworn enemy, deserves terrorism or any violent activities like terrorism. The slaughter of innocents in a non war time situation is never, never warrented or deserved.

I could introduce you to a few that believe that, just click on the "backroom" you'll find plenty of them in there.

**IrishMike** · 01-31-2005, 01:44

Yes I know, I have seen this. As I said before I find it very disturbing, and I can not understand the reasons behind such thinking. After all we all are human beings, and are not all humans deserving of one anothers understanding, and compassion, no matter how different we are from another in times of peace.

**Devastatin Dave** · 01-31-2005, 04:40

Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

If this had been in the Backroom I´d know of it.

You would know it, but I doubt you would do anything about it.

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 01-31-2005, 07:24

Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

If this had been in the Backroom I´d know of it.

But you would have ignored it.
Edit: Claps for Gregeroshi.
Edit againL Gregeroshi-san, I respect your viewpoint. Yet I have to disagree with you on the Iraq war thing. 9/11 was targeting civilians, the Iraq war wasn't. In war, Civilians die, it is somthing that cannot be prevented. However, civilains are almost never the intended target for slaughter. on 9/11, they were.

**Byzantine Prince** · 01-31-2005, 07:58

9/11 was meant as an attack on America and its symbols. The two towers were a great tragedy because so many civilians died. Nobody, including me justified that. But there was also an attack on the pentagon, and also a missed one for the whitehouse. They were clearly not just attacking civilians.

9/11 was targeting civilians, the Iraq war wasn't. In war, civilians die, it is something that cannot be prevented. However, civilians are almost never the intended target for slaughter. On 9/11, they were.

This made me chuckle. In war especially since they started bombing raids civilians are the onyl casualties. How do you think the US army killed off 3,000,000 Viets and losing so few of their own troops? They bombed civilians.

And if you think that those people(in Iraq) were maybe in the way of the army to kill the terrorists then think again. Anyone in Iraq could easily become a terrorist. There's AKs and grenade launchers all over the place now. Anyone can a terrorist. You don't necessarily have to be fanatic, you just have to be angry enough.

**Gregoshi** · 01-31-2005, 08:27

Capo/BP, may I quote myself?

I'll ask for no "but..." arguments about this example, the point of it is to illustrate differences in our points of view, not the details of the example.

I wanted no "but..." replies to the example I used. It was simplified to illustrate my point. Capo says "yeah but..." and BP replies "yeah but..." and the thread gets derailed. This thread is not about 9/11 and/or the Iraq war directly, but rather how the forum rules and moderation should apply to the sensitive issues that surround topics like this...or something like that. Let's keep on topic please.

Edit: PJ, as promised in my email, I will review the thread again more closely. This wouldn't be the first time I missed something or overlooked its significance.

**PanzerJaeger** · 01-31-2005, 08:18

Was the US justified in dropping the Atom Bombs?
Bombs dropped on cities, and you asked wether it was justified. And then you have the guts to make this thread?

Yea i do, you dont seem to be able to comprehend the difference between posting an objective question about an event that happened 60 years ago, and calling for the deaths of thousands today.

The poster i mentioned said that the US deserves another attack today. He then goes on to mention targets he would like to see destroyed, and later in the post discusses the people he would enjoy seeing killed.

This goes beyond critical analysis. This is not a distant group of observers struggling with the moral implications of an action. There were plenty of ways to make his point without resorting to hate speech. No one who supports the iraq war has ever said that innocent iraqis deserve to be killed by terrorist attacks.

I did not mean for this post to be a criticism of Gregoshi's actions in the thread, and its not. I only wanted the mod community to be aware that justifying and calling for attacks against americans is deeply offensive to some .org members. More offensive than curse words or personal threats.

If this is the case, that we can call for attacks against a country, i hope the practice does not spread to other nations. I think there are many on this forum who would call for the deaths of isrealis, palastinians, muslums, jews, and christians, but do not because of a certain unspoken rule that makes that behaviour unacceptable.

That rule was tested today.. No one ever cares if the butt of an insult, or apparently hate speech, is america.. but what happens if people start advocating the killing of Jews and justifying their genocide-ridden past? Mabey that will get a closer look by the admin..