In beta?

[SpencerH]

let me understand
you are saying that ca had hard coded items in the game to limit moders ?
from their point of view - ok

For example, we can alter the 'friction' of different terrain to slow down every unit, but we cant change that inf units run like modern olympic athletes. Personally, I dont understand why CA did that, it seems pretty short sighted. If they hadnt hard coded so many items we could have at least built mods to satisfy everyone.

[A.Saturnus]

MTW on 1.0 was practically unplayable due to CTD, at least for me. RTW is much better in that way. It is true that there were way to much bugs in RTW 1.0, but for complex products like this game, I guess it´s hopeless to expect it being tested as thoroughly as required.

What I reject is the claim that "all the MTW veterans don´t like the game". I´ve played thousands of hours MTW and I enjoy RTW a lot. From the vocal group of critics, we cannot infer anything. That´s not to say that CA didn´t make design decisions I don´t like. The kill speed for one is too high. This seriously affects the feeling of battles. It´s unfortunate that CA made this decision, but it´s their game, no one forced me to buy it. It should not be forgotten that RTW does a lot things very much better than MTW.

[Yun Dog]

MTW on 1.0 was practically unplayable due to CTD, at least for me. RTW is much better in that way. It is true that there were way to much bugs in RTW 1.0, but for complex products like this game, I guess it´s hopeless to expect it being tested as thoroughly as required.

What I reject is the claim that "all the MTW veterans don´t like the game". It should not be forgotten that RTW does a lot things very much better than MTW.

Amen

This says it all really.

I remember vanilla MTW AI being worse than RTW in fact it didnt improve till MTW:VI was patched - so I think people could show a bit of patience and wait and see.

RTW a BETA - dont make me laugh - I installed the game off the shelf and played it from start to finish - no game stopping bugs. Thats no beta. Doom 3 needed a patch before I could even get past the intro.

RTW is RTW not MTW and its never going to be - this is what is frustrating about the whining - Its a NEW GAME - Im glad its not MTW - MTW was very frustrating and like STW was an unstable game platform which took a lot of machine tweaking to get to run. I was never able to have a single successful LAN with STW or MTW because someone needed to roll back a driver or change OS or machine params etc etc etc. The participants would say - No lets just play something else after serveral almost battles when someone would CTD. I had a LAN where we played 3v3 players vs the AI - it was great - theres 1 point for RTW.

I agree that bugs and game problems should be reported in a constructive and thourough manner. But endless whining threads crying about it not being MTW - or I wanted this or it aint got that, or I did 100 unit tests of greek vs macedonian hopalites and the greek ones are overpowered - PLEASE. There are always going to be exploits and things you would like changed, if the first thing you do before youve even finished the game is start looking for exploits - well I pity you. I prefer to play and enjoy the game - not analyse every little number that has gone into making it.

If some of the community cant get past the fact "it aint MTW" then dont - just leave quietly.

[SpencerH]

So a program is no longer beta if it doesnt cause a CTD. Interesting definition.

[Colovion]

So a program is no longer beta if it doesnt cause a CTD. Interesting definition.

He has a point

but he's using it as a slippery slope argument, so that's no good.

The game is obviously playable, but remember how many people played the open betas for Warcraft and Age of Mythology and hell - almost any large scale release? They played through a technically playable game that had a bunch of unfinished or totally broken features, bugs, huge exploits.... and they fed back those problems to the devs so they would make sure that the Orcs didn't get 10000 Gold at the beginning of a certain campaign. This way when Timmy goes down to the store on release date he doesn't have these problems which he has to deal with.

I really enjoyed the game at the beginning. After a few hours play I posted a huge praise thread for CA. I had begun my campaign as Julii and was loving every minute of learning the game. That's when the fun stopped unforunately - once I learned how to play the game I didn't feel lilke I could improve at all and after playing a half dozen factions I got bored with teh battles; they were no longer epic contests of strategical prowess. The battles were known to be broken during the Demo so I focused on the new parts of the game I hadn't seen.... so that wasn't a large aspect of my concern at the time since I'd already ranted about it earlier and expected a patch to come to fix it.....

/rant