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Originally Posted by ToranagaSama
You Newbies make me want to throw up!


Erm! Im a veteran of all three and I like the game - and calling someone a Newbie to try and belittle their opinion is a bit pretentious.

I'll have to get back to you all on your individual points later, but just to clear something up regarding Newbies.

First, MY use of the term Newbie is not directly intended to belittle anyone or anyone's opinion. The term Newbie is relatively self-defined, as in New and Unknowing. It is in this specific manner that I use the term.

If you find the term as applied to you belittling, then that's your problem--Not Mine! I call them as I see them.

Second, lets define further, the term Veteran does not apply to everyone who happened to purchase Shogun way back when, but to one who is a Veteran of THIS Forum, the Org. A long time member of the Forum, usually from the Shogun and/or Pre-Shogun days, who has distinguished himself by demonstrating his knowledge of and experience with the Total War series.

Got it? The majority of you are not Veterans, but are Newbies to the Total War series. Even if you bought Shogun on Day 1, the fact does give one some credence, but doesn't necessarily mark you as a Veteran. Again, Knowledge and Experience that what counts.

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Yunus Dogus, you claim to be a Veteran, yet I don't know you from squat.

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Wrong. We simply want it to be BETTER than STW/MTW. It ain't!


Exactly. That's my point.
I don't get your point, care to explain.

In any case, the rest of your responses are too juvenile for me to respond further, enjoy.

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Can someone answer these questions for me:

Why is it that you find being called a Newbie and/or Non-Veteran belittling? I don't get it. If you're new to a Form and/or Game, you're a Newbie, what's the problem?

If someone has more knowledge and experience than you, then they're a Veteran and you're not. What's the problem.

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I do realize that my style of play is different, so I won't bother arguing that point; there's no way I can prove to you that I do use tactics, just as there's no way that you can prove to me the game is unplayable.
You know, I don't think I seen a single thread of someone describing their "style of play" re RTW. I'd love to hear it.

Regarding Tactics, simply explain what you do, simple. Be as elaborate in your description as you wish.

Do you use any particular sort of formation?

THIS is the kind of stuff that USED to PRIMARILY be discussed around here....

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See its the comments like these that I don't like. Perhaps its unplayable to you, but I have played the game through unmodified several times. So have the thousands of what you would call 'noobs' over at the .com forums. It's NOT unplayable; can't you see that other people are playing it. But alas, this is an opinion so no use arguing...
But you see, I'm sure you can tell ;) , its precisely the sort of comments that your original post represented that I don't like. Frankly, my dislike is probably more vehement than your own.

The fact that other people, as you say, are playing it doesn't really account for much. I don't mean this as any sort of insult, but the frank fact is lots of people are doing lots of things. Lots of people are playing The Sims too. By the reasoning you present (the number of people doing a thing), I should respect and be playing The Sims, or, in fact doing EVERYTHING everyone else is doing. I don't put much value in what everyone else is doing....

For that matter, I'm NOT the only one who considers the game unplayable. The fact of the matter is I STOPPED playing the game. Why?:

1) BATTLES: Number one reason is that Units/Lines won't Hold, not matter what you do, and a player has absolutely NO idea WHY a Line crumbled; can't point specifically to a Unit or Units as to the cause. There is NO WAY to evaluate. Replays *would* help, but really isn't the solution.

2) Campaign Map: I tired rather quickly of the number of, as well as the fact of, fighting inumberable MEANINGLESS battles. Battles that serve NO PURPOSE in furthering the Campaign. Fight them, Don't fight them; Win them, Lose them----NO EFFECT! What's the point?

Too Many, Too Meaningless.

3) What's the point of beating up on Headless Armies????? There's NO challenge in this----WHATSOEVER.

4) Autorresolve is UNUSEABLE. Absolutely Unsuseable. I got to the point where I said screw the battles. I'll try and salvage some value from the game---personally, I always found the Campaign Map more intriuiging anyway. I'll concentrate on the Map and Auto the battles, but nooooooo. Autoresovel is a JOKE!

Not only is the Battle AI WORSE than STW and MTW, but so is Auto-resolve. Unfukinblievable.

5) AI Controlled Armies, you know when your General joins you on the field and proceeds to act like a idiot no only with himself but with his entire army.

I still remember the last time I played the game, the last straw for me. I had manuevered on the Strat Map two armies into a perfect L shaped ambush of the AI. Isn't this what the new 3D map was made for?

Mind you this is on VH/VH, and after MANY turns and time---Got em! Significant game moment.

Blink! I'm on the Battle Map. I've got control of one army and the AI my other. I'm facing the AI enemey head on, and my AI army is advancing on the Enemy right. What happens? Rather than waiting and responding to what I do, the AI General advances WAY ahead of his army and charges ahead; his Army is coming on as quick as they can. (STOP, you morons!)

The Enemey AI splits his army and sends part straight at my AI General with the commensurate results. General running for his life.

[You know, for the first I see, where to some degree I must reproach myself just a bit. YES, you all are kinda right the AI does do some interesting things. It is kinda cool the way the AI *split* its army in response to the circumstance!! Despite all that, back to the battle:]

I have to advance my army as quick as I can upon the Enemey, with NO forumation, NO planing and NO setup!!!! I just gotta charge on, SLAM my troops in some hope of quickly whiping them out, in order tha I can save my other, AI controlled army.

THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO NOR INTENDED TO DO.

There is NO skill involved in this battle

So what happened? The AI general kept heading for the hills; the AI army got killed; my controlled army got creamed cause they did an all out charge. TWO armies virtually whiped out---through NO fault of my own. I NEVER had control of that battle as the AI did whatever it wanted. Unfukinbelievable!

What----is the point of playing this game?

Now, I don't say this to pump myself up, but just to state facts. I have extreme knowledge of the TW games, and extreme battle skills. Yet, NONE of it was worth a damn---cause I never got to use ANY OF IT.

So, what's the point?


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NOW, CA has deemed us with a patch, that allows for reinforcements to be dripped onto the field, ala Shogun and Medieval. Thank goodness.

To all those for whom their forum experience is being ruined, do you think this change would have been implemented WITHOUT comment from the Forum? If all the posts had been about all the *positive* aspects? Ohhh, look at the pretty graphics....

Personally, I stopped, some time ago, buying games where there is no Developer support and no Developer communication with the community. If they don't respond to my whines, then I don't buy their games. Simple as that.

In the Shogun days and mid-way thru the Medieval days we had direct contact and communication with the Developers. Newsgroup, Forum, Email. Now, unless you're a VETERAN you wouldn't know anything about it would you. NOPE!

Unfortunately, the Patch doesn't fully address my main concerns, so unless Auto-resolve has been fixed, the game is still going to be unplayable, unmodded.

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Now, if you find it playable, like I said, people, a LOT of people, play The Sims too....