In beta?

[ToranagaSama]

Lets look beyond all the whining and counter-whining. You cannot deny that alof of M:TW players have left the forums and that the nature of posts have changed.

So, I'm not alone in my thoughts....

The nature of this place is changing and it shouldn't be. Something needs to be done. When RTW first came out, I asked Tosa for a Veterans only forum, but he shot that down (I suppose mine wasn't the first request?).

I feel as if someone has walked into MY house; sat down on MY sofa; started watching MY TV; went into MY fridge and started eating MY food; then, turned and looked at me and said: "Who are are you and what are you doing here?"

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Example:

Originally Posted by Yunus Dogus
If some of the community cant get past the fact "it aint MTW" then dont - just leave quietly.

Somebody TELL me! Who is this guy? What has he contributed? To the Forum? To the Game?

WHO are these people and where do they get their attitudes?

...or I did 100 unit tests of greek vs macedonian hopalites and the greek ones are overpowered - PLEASE. There are always going to be exploits and things you would like changed, if the first thing you do before youve even finished the game is start looking for exploits - well I pity you. I prefer to play and enjoy the game - not analyse every little number that has gone into making it.....

Do you Veterans and anybody else with eyes see? This guy does not have an ORG mentality. Should he have been let out of the EH? There's a certain cluelessness here. Dude don't you realize it? You're a .COMer.

Should people new to the game, new to the forum, be allowed to do this? IMUHO, they are disruptive to the general business this forum has ALWAYS been about. Come on guys, you know what the Org was about back in the pre-Shogun days, and what it was in the post-Shogun days. Read his quote, do you think this guy, and those with similar attitudes, would've even stuck around, let alone be a contributor?

Think about it. Some of the things the "New People" say just boils my blood!! Did the Veterans of this Forum and Game go away because the game sucked; or was it because the Newbies sucked? Something to ponder and discuss.

Think MORE about it. Why did CA not find it necessary to address the Battle Speed issues? Could it have been because there wasn't a place where they could engage with the most knowledegable and experience players. Those would could comprehend the issues, disscuss them INTELLIGENTLY and KNOWLEGEDABLY, seek and discover SOLUTIONS????

This process, which has occurred here at the Org many times, did not happen. Rather, it was just one big NON-PRODUCTIVE fight!

I believe an additional policy s/b instituted in the Entrance Hall and throughout the forum.

People shouldn't be allowed to come into one's HOME and start acting liking they own the place.

If it wasn't for the true Veterans, this place wouldn't be here and the game would have died a LONG time ago.

Veterans ONLY Forum, pleaseeeee. Where *we* can do what we've always done, and CA can have immediate access to *our* view, as well as the view of the unwashed masses.

The forum would function similarly to the EH, except that prespective members would need to demonstrate a certain *Want*. Want to Enjoy, Examine, Experience, Everything about the game on an Elevated level. The 5 Es.

You could call it the Grognard forum to make it more palatable, for Grognards and Grognard wannabes. Not everybody wants or is interested in being a Grognard, a Wargammer, not everyone RESPECTS or has interest in such things.

Want to see an Example of a need for such a place? Look at the TWCenter and Total Realism. What I'm talking about is a Forum in some ways equivalent to the TWCenter, but more Org-like.

Such a place would lower the blood pressure and decrease the clashes....
Serve as a Filter for CA, and a place of Sanctury for *US*.

Remember the SPers vs. MPer battles? Of course you do. The Org worked that out quite nicely. Same thing could happen again.

Help, please.

[Rant Over]

You can then either think that M:TW players were just a bunch of whiners, or that there might indeed be something wrong with R:TW.

Nah... We're just a bunch of whinners who don't have a clue what we're talking about.

My guess is that R:TW has moved the TW series into a different category and M:TW players realize that they do not like this. They liked M:TW and R:TW could have been the next step onto the same path.

Evolution NOT Revolution!

But with R:TW CA has taken a slightly different path and all the "whining/complaining" you see here is IMO little more than regret/grievance of M:TW players losing their favorite series.

...and betrayal and deception....

Thank you for your post, and how about having a talk with Tosa re the above.